Powder Brown pictures. what does it have?
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wfuavenger
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That would be ICH. Powders are really suseptable to it. feed him lots of seaweed, nori and vegi foods... he will probably get over it.
The damage is done my friend. I went through a similar situation. You could quarentine the tang, but regardless if your other fish show it, you'll still have ich in the tank.
If you remove the infected tang, but then add it back to the DT when healed, or add another fish to the DT for that matter, they could come down with it too. I learned that the hard way after losing a Kole Tang, a White Cheek Tang and 2 different wrasses.
The only sure-fire way to fix the situation, is to pull all the fish out of your DT and leave it empty for 6-8 weeks. Be patient, and quarentine your fish properly before adding them to the DT.
If you remove the infected tang, but then add it back to the DT when healed, or add another fish to the DT for that matter, they could come down with it too. I learned that the hard way after losing a Kole Tang, a White Cheek Tang and 2 different wrasses.
The only sure-fire way to fix the situation, is to pull all the fish out of your DT and leave it empty for 6-8 weeks. Be patient, and quarentine your fish properly before adding them to the DT.
Jerm77
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the powder brown is doing well. He still eats like crazy. I give him a 4" square of nori and red seaweed everyday. I have to say that I had him for 30 days before these signs showed up. the only fish I added to the tank after was a mandarin a couple of weeks ago. my understanding is that they dont carry ICH because of their slime coat.
but I did add some sps frags. I usually take them off their ceramic discs. but I left this one. could the ICH have traveled in on the frags or could the tang have had the ICH the whole time?
I can't catch him with a net. I've tried. I could catch my clowns, but my sleeper banded goby and the mandarin will be impossible unless I tear the whole tank down.
but I did add some sps frags. I usually take them off their ceramic discs. but I left this one. could the ICH have traveled in on the frags or could the tang have had the ICH the whole time?
I can't catch him with a net. I've tried. I could catch my clowns, but my sleeper banded goby and the mandarin will be impossible unless I tear the whole tank down.
The same thing happened to me. I QT'd everything I ever put in my tank including all coral frags. Then I put a mandarin in without QTing cause everyone said they don't get ich including the LFS guy and 2 weeks later my tang got ich. What a pain in the @ss. Never had any signs of ich B4 this.
Lesson learned: QT everything for at least 6 weeks no matter what.
I caught my tang and he is in QT now but can't seem to catch any of my other fish so does no real good.
Lesson learned: QT everything for at least 6 weeks no matter what.
I caught my tang and he is in QT now but can't seem to catch any of my other fish so does no real good.
Jerm77
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this is unfortunate. seems I've had the exact same problem as you.
I have read several times that people leave their fish with ICH in their system and it will come and go. I may be one of those people. Its going to be impossible for me to get those fish out without doing a whole tear down.
wish me luck
I have read several times that people leave their fish with ICH in their system and it will come and go. I may be one of those people. Its going to be impossible for me to get those fish out without doing a whole tear down.
wish me luck
Jerm77
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ya let me know.
I called my LFS when I first noticed it, I asked if they would QT him in their sick tank. they said they would but, the told me to grab some reef safe ICH cure. dont know the name - I don't think any of those work except for copper and Chloroquine Phosphate. both of which I believe are toxic to inverts. maybe it was called kick-ICH, not sure though.
I called my LFS when I first noticed it, I asked if they would QT him in their sick tank. they said they would but, the told me to grab some reef safe ICH cure. dont know the name - I don't think any of those work except for copper and Chloroquine Phosphate. both of which I believe are toxic to inverts. maybe it was called kick-ICH, not sure though.
ATJ's website has an article on ich that basically says to me if I am reading it right that if you can get ur fish to survive for a year weather it be thru developed immunity or whatever and put no new additions in the tank during that time then u can again have an ich free tank as the parasites will have ran their course. Here is the exert from ATJ's:
Burgess and Matthews (1994) were attempting to maintain a viable population of C. irritans which could be used in later studies. To maintain the parasite populations, they needed host fish in order for the trophonts to feed and continue the life cycle. Each host fish was only used once in a process of serial transition such that none of the hosts would die or develop an immunity. While the procedure worked very well and enabled them to maintain populations for some time, the viability of the populations decreased with time and none of the 7 isolates they used survived more than 34 cycles, around 10 to 11 months. They suggest this is due to senescence and aging in cell lines is well recognised in Ciliophora.
The presence of aging cell lines in C. irritans suggests that an aquarium that has been running for longer than 12 months without any additions is unlikely to have any surviving "Ich" parasites, yet another exception to "Ich" always being present.
Burgess and Matthews (1994) were attempting to maintain a viable population of C. irritans which could be used in later studies. To maintain the parasite populations, they needed host fish in order for the trophonts to feed and continue the life cycle. Each host fish was only used once in a process of serial transition such that none of the hosts would die or develop an immunity. While the procedure worked very well and enabled them to maintain populations for some time, the viability of the populations decreased with time and none of the 7 isolates they used survived more than 34 cycles, around 10 to 11 months. They suggest this is due to senescence and aging in cell lines is well recognised in Ciliophora.
The presence of aging cell lines in C. irritans suggests that an aquarium that has been running for longer than 12 months without any additions is unlikely to have any surviving "Ich" parasites, yet another exception to "Ich" always being present.
hey Jerm, here is a link to the ick article at ATJ. Great info on lots of stuff. I learned a lot about ich.
http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/marineich.html
http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/marineich.html
apayan
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Well I've been treating my main tank with Kick-Ich and I put three of my four sick fish in my QT with copper and antibiotic. I'm very sure the fish had a combination of Ich and fungal infection. So far the three fish in QT are around a 6.5 on a scale of 1-10 and the one in my display I treated with kick-Ich is around a 7.5. This is just my own experience but treating the tank for Ich isn't too bad. The only problem is being patient enough to keep your skimmer off for two weeks...NOT FUN!
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