Powerbar6D-USA/CD Fuses????

[Harry_Fish]

I was just reading the docs that came with the Powerbar6D-USA/CD
(I had already read the ones on GHL Site).

The ones on the site show pictures of the fuses etc.

The new instructions that came with the unit say:
"The powerbar has no fuses inside -> therefore it must be
connected on a mains supply which is protected by a 15 amp fuse."


Is this one of the units with the new relays?

 

[Matthias Gross]

Hi Harry-

yes! There are already some in circulation: The ones without fuses have 15A/200A relays.

 

[kidney514]

Matthias, is there any other of finding out which one someone has?

 

[Harry_Fish]

Thank you!

 

[jgillard]

For clarification are these protected from the high inrush voltage that causes older powerbar relays to get stuck? I had ordered a High Amp expansion but will cancel that order if I do not need it.

 

[Harry_Fish]

That is how I understand it (you may want to wait for the official word).

But remember the 15 amp limit for the entire strip.

Good Luck!

 

[kidney514]

Check your total amp consumption, if it's any help give me whats connected to your powerbar and their watts. I will tell you how many amp your pulling and therefor will be able to determine if you need to the High amp PB.
Remember splitting the load is as important as welding your relay!

 

[jgillard]

I am not worried about my total load on the circuit. I have had everything running on the circuit with no problems. I was just waiting to control my MH ballasts with the profilux and did not want to fuse the relays. (Was waiting for a high amp expansion) If the powerbar is already protected in my case I do not have a need for the high amp expansion.

 

[AQD_ottawa]

Why are you not concerned about your total wattage?

Your house hold wiring is rated to 15 amps if you exceed this on one circuit you run the risk of overload. This is way more imporant than a protected relay.

 

[jgillard]

Sorry I meant that I was not concerned that I was exceeding the total amp on the line or I would have been tripping the breaker. I have been running everything on this circuit for over a month now just not controlling the MH with the profilux. My reason for the high amp expansion was only to protect against the inrush current. Since I am already protected it does not make sense for me to purchhase one in my situation.

The high amp expansion devices are still very useful if you need to spread out load accross multiple circuits.

 

[AQD_ottawa]

All I ask is for you NOT to rely on your circuit breaker to tell you if you are close to max recommended load, please calculate your loading (I will even do it for you) and then judge on that.

As already stated many times, never rely on a circuit breaker alone as nothing is fool proof, if you keep running abreaker close to tripping it will get hot over time and wear out.

Please all I ask is you calculate your total loading before making a desicion.

Best wishes
Michael

 

[kidney514]

But you are assuming that you're breaker is really founctionning properly, I would take the time to do the math and be safe rather than be sorry.

watt / voltage = amps


Remember than a 15 amp breaker may trip only a 16 amp or even 17. If you load the breaker slowly and let it warm up gradually, I am pretty sure I can surpass the 15 amp limits, I would actually bet 1 dollard on this.......

 

[Harry_Fish]

If it pops 5 minutes after you leave for work
you will come home to a very unhappy tank.

I had a frend loose power to his tank while
he was at work, and lost almost half his fish.

It was due to homeone hitting a power pole and the power
got restored or he proabably would have lost them all.

So if you blow the breaker or the digital strip the livestock losses
will proabably far exceede the price of the hi-amp box.

 

[kidney514]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12282102#post12282102 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Harry_Fish
It was due to homeone hitting a power pole and the power
got restored or he proabably would have lost them all.

Ok, now that means you need to get the SMS module to be warned about the power failure.
Almost feel like i'm working for michael on this one HIHI

 

[Harry_Fish]

Or my server running The Profilux software and
ready to send me an e-mail to my cell phone.

I'm already thinking that direction

 

[kidney514]

How does your server run without power?

 

[jgillard]

Ok.

Items I am actually controlling (So would need to split load if greater than 15amps)

Solenoid for C02 (no idea of draw. can't be hardly anything)
Lighting (3x250w)=6.8amp
Lighting (2x54w)= 0.95amp
Fuge Light(32W)= 0.3amp
heaters(500w)=4.35amp (Never on. Trying to cool not raise temp)
Canopy Fans: 2x0.13amp=0.26amp
Total: 8.31 without heaters & 12.66 with.

This is quite reasonable I think on the circuit. I currently have a few other items running on the same circuit but can move them if needed.
2xvortech (0.5amp)
mj400 (0.04amp)
mj1200 (0.17amp)
skimmer pump (0.26amp)
returm pump (1.2amp) Total: 2.17amp

So with everything running heaters and all I am pushing it, but the heaters are never on. I can move the 2.17amp load to another circuit. The 12.66amp would be fine on the 15amp circuit and 99.5% of the time it would only be drawing 8.31 amps.

Comments?

 

[Harry_Fish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12282185#post12282185 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kidney514
How does your server run without power?

Big UPS

I still need to get one for the tank.

I plan to plug the digital strip into the UPS and the lights into the wall.

So in a power failure the pumps stay up, I get alerted and
I know I have time to get home to investigate the problem.

 

[kidney514]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12282255#post12282255 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jgillard
This is quite reasonable I think on the circuit. I currently have a few other items running on the same circuit but can move them if needed.
2xvortech (0.5amp)
mj400 (0.04amp)
mj1200 (0.17amp)
skimmer pump (0.26amp)
returm pump (1.2amp) Total: 2.17amp
Comments?

That is best 5 minutes that you spent today

If at all possible i would move the stuff listed above, just to give some room in case off......

Other than that, looks fine
:bum:

 

[kidney514]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12282292#post12282292 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Harry_Fish
Big UPS

I still need to get one for the tank.

I plan to plug the digital strip into the UPS and the lights into the wall.

So in a power failure the pumps stay up, I get alerted and
I know I have time to get home to investigate the problem.

The UPS will not like the heaters and stuff light that.

Plug your UPS into the Digital Powebar and then plug only your pump in the UPS.

Just my .02 cents