Prazipro or Herbtana use in the reef tank

[Dkuhlmann]

I'm glad to hear it won't kill the bristle or brittle worms. I couldn't find any Prazi locally. Petco and Petsmart in Sioux City IA didn't have any, so I ordered it on Ebay from a seller that I've used before. I should have it Monday or Tuesday. I'll treat my tank right away.

I notice that the directions say to do a WC first then treat and after the 5-7 days do another WC. I'm going to do a 20% WC later today, do you think I'll be fine dosing a few day's after a WC? If not I'll hold off until I get the Prazi before doing an up front WC. Then plan on doing a large WC once the cycle is done.

 

[ginpang]

@ skullv : it does say on the bottle and on the hikari website that this stuff will kill all worms ... But in a majority of cases it did not , so one can wonder on it's effectiveness ...
But it's encouraging to hear success stories ! [emoji1360]

 

[ginpang]

I'm glad to hear it won't kill the bristle or brittle worms. I couldn't find any Prazi locally. Petco and Petsmart in Sioux City IA didn't have any, so I ordered it on Ebay from a seller that I've used before. I should have it Monday or Tuesday. I'll treat my tank right away.

I notice that the directions say to do a WC first then treat and after the 5-7 days do another WC. I'm going to do a 20% WC later today, do you think I'll be fine dosing a few day's after a WC? If not I'll hold off until I get the Prazi before doing an up front WC. Then plan on doing a large WC once the cycle is done.

Probably better off waiting for the product ... Unless you're due for a wc anyway. Either way wc should be done right before as it says ... Better not improvise for first time use!

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

I'm currently dosing my DT.

I noticed a few of my fish head-twitching and a few cloudy eyes a few weeks after introducing a new wrasse. The wrasse went through observational QT and did not show any symptoms, but I think he brought in flukes. I will now be sure to preventatively treat all fish whether they show symptoms or not.

The first time I treated the DT, head twitching stopped within a day. I thought everything was good, but a month later the head twitching was back. I think it is very important to do follow-up treatments.

I've now done two consecutive 7-day treatments (with a large water change between), and I'm planning on doing 1-2 more. The head twitching has stopped, but the cloudy eyes continue.

I have an ornate leopard wrasse, pintail flasher wrasse, and cleaner wrasse. Cleaner wrasse is unaffected, but the other two go into hiding for the rest of the day after administering the treatment - but they are out and about just fine the next day. Even the anthias and chromis kind of hunker down in the rocks for a little while after putting the meds in the tank. The anemones are probably the most affected - I have an RBTA and a mini carpet which both have not moved since being in the tank, but are now shrunken and moving around. I don't have any ornamental worms.

I have turned off the skimmer and removed all chemical filtration. If I ran the skimmer without the cup it would make a mess, pouring all over the place. I did throw an air stone in the sump - I think ensuring the water is well oxygenated is important, but I hope it's not breaking down the medication prematurely.

I'm a little disappointed the cloudy eyes haven't cleared up, but maybe that's another issue. Given that the head twitching stops within a day of treatment, I'm fairly confident several consecutive rounds will solve that issue for good.

 

[water is wet]

Curious as to why doing a wc first makes any difference? I didn't and I don't believe it worked any differently than if I would have had I done so.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Probably better off waiting for the product ... Unless you're due for a wc anyway. Either way wc should be done right before as it says ... Better not improvise for first time use!

I'll only be off by 25 days, so I'm going to wait for the Prazi to get here, then do the 20% normal WC that I do then dose the Prazi. I'll wait 7 days then do a 40-50% wc after the treatment period is up. My fish that are flashing or shaking their heads is only once in a while, so it's not constant but enough for me to want to treat the tank.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Curious as to why doing a wc first makes any difference? I didn't and I don't believe it worked any differently than if I would have had I done so.

I don't have a clue but since they say to do it, I'm going to do the WC. Also since I was going to do a 20% WC tomorrow I will just wait until Monday or Tuesday when the Prazi gets here, then do the WC and treat.

 

[ginpang]

Prazipro or Herbtana use in the reef tank

I think I did. Treatment 1 - 5 days wc / t2 4 days wc / t3 3 days wc.

As for the water change before treatment may be because it might affects your bioload ... Since the treatments and multiple wc so close together , I got a sudden black hair algae growth that I'm now working to get rid of ....yet no ammonia, nitrite or nitrate .... Perhaps it's from removing the chemi-pure blue out of my filter?! Could be

Don't know if this happened to anyone else ? Maybe just me

 

[d-man]

Are cucumbers affected by prazi? I have many tiger tails and a large 12" medusa I wouldn't want dead in my tank

 

[SkullV]

Are cucumbers affected by prazi? I have many tiger tails and a large 12" medusa I wouldn't want dead in my tank

I have had a tiger tail go through treatment without issue. Never tried with any other cucumbers.

 

[d-man]

Thanks

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Ok here's what is going on in my tank. I have the female Mocha clown that has been doing her head shakes and I suspect flukes. Last week I believe on Friday my McCosker's wrasse had one visible fluke above one of his eyes. Yesterday they increased to 3 that I could see on his head. Welp this morning when he woke up has quite a few on him in various parts of his body and is flashing pretty badly trying to get them off of him but he is eating well.

My Prazi order seems that it won't get here until maybe Thursday or Friday but might get here sooner, hard to say because it was sent USPS and shipped on Saturday at 6am but has no updates since. The tracking from Ebay shows it not arriving until Friday but I'd think it would be here sooner. The only LFS I have here (45 min drive) are Petco and Petsmart. The Petco "Expert" that has an awesome 180 gal reef has never heard of Prazipro and no they didn't have any in inventory. I have not checked with Petsmart yet but will this morning because of the McCosker's outbreak.

So I do have 2 large and one small bottle all unopened of Herbatana that I got from someone that got out of reefing. Should I go ahead if Petsmart doesn't have any Prazi and treat with the Herbtana, then do a big WC once the Prazi arrives and then do a round of treatment with the Prazi? I'm also waiting to hear from a buddy here in town to see if he has any Prazi that I can go pickup and get started with the Prazi treatment that I would prefer to do.

So my thinking is doing something is better than doing nothing since I have the Herbtana on hand.

What would you do?

 

[BigBlueTang]

Ok here's what is going on in my tank. I have the female Mocha clown that has been doing her head shakes and I suspect flukes. Last week I believe on Friday my McCosker's wrasse had one visible fluke above one of his eyes. Yesterday they increased to 3 that I could see on his head. Welp this morning when he woke up has quite a few on him in various parts of his body and is flashing pretty badly trying to get them off of him but he is eating well.

My Prazi order seems that it won't get here until maybe Thursday or Friday but might get here sooner, hard to say because it was sent USPS and shipped on Saturday at 6am but has no updates since. The tracking from Ebay shows it not arriving until Friday but I'd think it would be here sooner. The only LFS I have here (45 min drive) are Petco and Petsmart. The Petco "Expert" that has an awesome 180 gal reef has never heard of Prazipro and no they didn't have any in inventory. I have not checked with Petsmart yet but will this morning because of the McCosker's outbreak.

So I do have 2 large and one small bottle all unopened of Herbatana that I got from someone that got out of reefing. Should I go ahead if Petsmart doesn't have any Prazi and treat with the Herbtana, then do a big WC once the Prazi arrives and then do a round of treatment with the Prazi? I'm also waiting to hear from a buddy here in town to see if he has any Prazi that I can go pickup and get started with the Prazi treatment that I would prefer to do.

So my thinking is doing something is better than doing nothing since I have the Herbtana on hand.

What would you do?

You can check the petsmart inventory online. I'd do that before doing the drive, or call the store ahead of time.
As for your fish.. Hope they make it through!

 

[water is wet]

I'd say skip it is not going to do anything but I'm sure deep down you already know that. I just did a quick RC search and other than newbs claiming it worked for ick of all things I couldn't find anything that would make me want to try.

It's hard to sit back and do nothing but until your prazipro arrives there's not much you can do.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Ya I would never drive that far just to find out :lmao:

But no Petsmart doesn't have it and never heard of Prazipro either :hammer:

My buddy didn't have any either but suggested that I have nothing to lose by trying the Herbtana, so I have to decide if I go ahead and start treating with the Herbtana or wait until the Prazi gets here. The McCosker's wrasse did knock most of them off of him.

Does anyone else agree with this?

Yes Water is Wet, I am in that place now of do I or don't I. Not doing anything is killing me.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Will miracles never cease! The Prazi is here at my PO Box. I can't believe that, but I'm certainly not complaining

 

[FortyFour]

I had a positive experience with Prazipro. My green toadstool leather hasn't been the same but it might just be the normal shedding routine leathers do.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Prazi really Rocks!!!! :thumbsup:

Not long after putting in the dose of Prazi several of my fish were puking up flukes :dance: This morning my McCosker's wrasse still had two on his head but later this morning they were gone. All of the fish seem to be more at ease than before the treatment and all eating well. My corals are mostly not fully extended but I expected that and my two BTA's are in a funk but doing fine.

So now my question is, after I've had this dose in for 5-7 days I'm going to do a big WC and start running my skimmer and carbon again. Should I go ahead with a second dose say 4 or so days after I do the WC to kill any possible eggs that would hatch afterwards, or go ahead and skip it and call it good?

 

[Deinonych]

So now my question is, after I've had this dose in for 5-7 days I'm going to do a big WC and start running my skimmer and carbon again. Should I go ahead with a second dose say 4 or so days after I do the WC to kill any possible eggs that would hatch afterwards, or go ahead and skip it and call it good?

I would do two doses since you have a confirmed infestation. Dose a second time right after the WC, as you need to space the doses 7 days apart. Obviously, keep your skimmer and carbon turned off.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Chris, what I read that works best is when I do the WC after 7 days in system that I should then run carbon and wait 4 days in between the treatment to allow the eggs to hatch. They said if I wait too long the newly hatched will lay more eggs, which causes them to still be in the system after the 7 day treatment. It also said that eggs will not hatch while the Prazi is in the system. Then went on to say if I were to do the WC and then dose again at that time without letting the system be free of Prazi the eggs won't hatch still leaving them in the system with unhatched eggs that can last even through 3 7 day treatments. This is the confusing part.

So basically they said to remove Prazi from the system with the WC and with running skimmer and carbon for a total of 4 days to allow the eggs to hatch, then take skimmer and carbon offline and re dose Prazi for another 7 day period.

I guess my biggest question is what is the proper amount of time to wait between doses after having removed the Prazi with the large WC and running skimmer and carbon. Is 4 days correct or should I wait more? How long does it actually take for the eggs to hatch then grow to adult size to be able to lay more eggs?

Damn this is complicated :hammer: