preferred salt for sps keepers.

I'd love to try RB2 but with shipping the cost of that stuff makes TM pro look like chump change. I bet its a great salt though and maybe someday will try a few buckets and see for myself.
Right now at 340 gallons per month changed out, the TM is about my limit for now:)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9715118#post9715118 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
Yeah fosters & smith sells it and I buy a bunch of buckets so the shipping is either $4 a bucket or free for all buckets after 4 buckets have been added to the cart.

Anyway Rich, TM is high in copper? isn't that deadly for invertebrates? That's a big deal! You have personally tested a batch? and its not in your RO water I take it?
That's bad if so, and I have a hard time believing it since so many reef tanks use it and I can't believe the smart folks at TM don't realize this is happening?
Chris
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http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/11/aafeature1

Essentially twice the copper of IO.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9716919#post9716919 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MammothReefer
anybody have any links to how much Calcium Chloride we should use to boost up calc.. I know RC is still a bit low.
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i eyeball it, but i wouldn't recommend that method to anyone else;
it depends on how much you are trying to increase it, i go for around 70ppm up, use the reef chemistry calc.
 
OK Rich I see that TM tested at 9 ppb copper thats 9 pennies in a billion dollars, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is that toxic?
I noticed IO blew away all the other salts with Titanium at 5x's the amount of TM and higher than any other salt, does that concern you at all?
Do you know what the toxic level of either metal is for inverts?

I did some further research and found that Shimeks results are questionable. It seems testing for such minor trace elements is very hard to do and results can be very inacurate. Julian Sprung says the samples can be contaminated easilly when handled, and results are a bit iffy it sounds like.
Anyway its hard to find toxicity level data, and even the reef aq. vol III suggests levels that shimek said were toxic in an aquarium seem to sometimes match NSW levels.

I don't know about you but i don't think I trust the validity of the report.
 
I've tried it all after Kent screwed up, I now use Ocean Pure Pro, never once has any salt I've tested come up with same numbers:

ALK 8.2
CA 440
MG 1300

Thats in RO-DI water, I've never tried the red sea coral pro, but I've tried pretty much everything else. Plus in my area it's the cheapest pro salt @ $70CAN/150gal pail.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9717206#post9717206 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
OK Rich I see that TM tested at 9 ppb copper thats 9 pennies in a billion dollars, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is that toxic?
I noticed IO blew away all the other salts with Titanium at 5x's the amount of TM and higher than any other salt, does that concern you at all?
Do you know what the toxic level of either metal is for inverts?

I did some further research and found that Shimeks results are questionable. It seems testing for such minor trace elements is very hard to do and results can be very inacurate. Julian Sprung says the samples can be contaminated easilly when handled, and results are a bit iffy it sounds like.
Anyway its hard to find toxicity level data, and even the reef aq. vol III suggests levels that shimek said were toxic in an aquarium seem to sometimes match NSW levels.

I don't know about you but i don't think I trust the validity of the report.
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Umm, Reefkoi, thats not Shimek's report. Thats the report refuting Shimek's report, and is pretty accurate.
 
IO is good, but low in calcium and magnesium. I prefer Reef Crystals by IO, its a little better. Stay away from Oceanic. THat stuff is the worst salt I have ever come across. It has about zero alkalinity.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9716921#post9716921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
I'd love to try RB2 but with shipping the cost of that stuff makes TM pro look like chump change. I bet its a great salt though and maybe someday will try a few buckets and see for myself.
Right now at 340 gallons per month changed out, the TM is about my limit for now:)
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Are you using TMP or jsut TM?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9717437#post9717437 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sphelps
I've tried it all after Kent screwed up, I now use Ocean Pure Pro, never once has any salt I've tested come up with same numbers:

ALK 8.2
CA 440
MG 1300

Thats in RO-DI water, I've never tried the red sea coral pro, but I've tried pretty much everything else. Plus in my area it's the cheapest pro salt @ $70CAN/150gal pail.
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I have ocean pure but not the pro. were did you get that?
 
TMP here

So Rich what about the copper levels and the accuracy of samples tested? And at what level is it toxic? what do you think of all those questions I posed?
 
I'm happy w/ HW Marinemix salt. I get it here locally from Hawaiian Marine.

Ca 440
Alk 8.6 dkh
PH 8.3
Mg 1300
 
Oh and Ric you are misunderstanding, I was asking you opinion on several things and MY research led to many questioning shimeks report, and also the report about the shimek report as you are thinking. Anyway regardless of either author I don't see anyone independently stating 9ppb copper is bad i mean if 4 is ok with IO how is 9 terrible then? Do you have another articl i can refer to? I can't seem to find much on the subject of AMOUNTs of copper I know NSW has copper but who's to say whats toxic? I mean if 5x's the titanium is good with IO then maybe more copper is better with TM ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9717809#post9717809 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by messy1messmer
I have ocean pure but not the pro. were did you get that?
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Bayside corals here in town has both reg and pro, Proline Aquatics is the wholesaler for it here is Canada.

The pro just has higher levels of Ca Mg and Strontium. but the standard still tests something like 400Ca, 1250Mg
 
I use IO but I've come to believe that no matter which one you use (of the better known, leading brands of course), the most important thing to do, after testing and adjusting parameters if need be, is to simply stick with it. Don't switch because one dropped its price fifty cents a bucket or is now enclosing a muscle shirt. Seems to me that the chemistries in making these salts may sometimes be different enough that mixing them can do quite a lot of inadvertent harm. Speaking from experience, btw.
 
It took a few months, but my PE slowly declined since I started using Red Sea Coral Pro. I like the numbers but the results have been less than satisfying for me. I'm switching back to Reef Crystals and will (hopefully) see my PE back to normal in the next few weeks.
 
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