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Wolverine
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I think that's where we disagree on this topic. It costs a lot, in money and resources, to ship these fish from around the world just to get them to the US. When you look at the number that survive that, the per fish cost ends up much higher than it first appears.
As I said before, IMO, it's important to support aquaculture now so it is as developed as possible when we lose the ability to import MO.
jenglish
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I think the same argument can be made sustainable energy. I mean I don't want to live in a mud hut and cooking a turnip over a dried turd any more than the next guy. I think there is a happy medium between between doing exactly what we have always done and trying to set unrealistic goals. I think that the U.S. is falling behind European and Asian countries in sustainable energy production. I think it is both a responsibility and a point of national pride to be a world leader on such a thing. An issue with a totally free market that lacked any regulations (which does not exist) would be it would react only to current market conditions and not plan for future economic conditions. I think this is where regulation can be not only good for ecology but for the future economy as well. I think energy independance is a flagship of future economies.
I think I may have wondered slightly off topic there. I think we could have had four hotly contested threads here
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MM WI
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Ah, now there is the valid argument. The same for alternate sources of power, these are stepping stones to something that will be required in the future. Also of course my original premise requires that people obey the rules at some point which may never happen. Valid arguments as long they are taken so far that they cause the very thing they are reportedly guarding against. Not likely with captive raised but very likely given current rhetoric on energy.
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kaptken
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well, MM, Baseline backround radiation emmisions are the precise level we have evolved to survive in. coal plant radio emmisions, which are much more than nuclear plant emmissions, per capita and in gross total, are in addition to our natural background levels. source makes little difference to their effect.
catching wild life is fine as long as the demand is relatively small. but as our population grows and we put more demand on the natural ecosystem, it declines rapidly. a pack of wolves survives very well until they take the last deer, or buffalo then how long do they last?
I think aquaculture can be fine as long as we dont exploit other resources which pollute, to excess. much like we currently do with all forms of energy and mineral resources. it produces farmed fish stocks but at a greater cost. the return is poor.
Thats where your fond Unicorn power comes ito play. things like wind, solar, geothermal, energy recapture, are all better forms of making energy. plus better design on conumption to make them more efficient and reclaim much of the inherent waste energy. there is a whole lot we can do to get more from each kilowatt of power we produce and expend.
I like growing corals, and raising fish. but i also see my current system is an energy hog. to do it better, natural light green houses heated and cooled geothermally, with transparrent glass PV roofs for power to run pumps would be a better method. rather than buying power from the grid which produces on average 2 pounds of CO2 for each kilowatt of electricity produced. We have a long ways we can go to do it better . only limited by our imagination and ingenuity.
a new article today makes a new discovery on how depleting fish stocks might also be depleting the alkalinity of the oceans.
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090115/full/news.2009.30.html
seems they help replenish some of the carbonate. so , one more thing to worry about.
catching wild life is fine as long as the demand is relatively small. but as our population grows and we put more demand on the natural ecosystem, it declines rapidly. a pack of wolves survives very well until they take the last deer, or buffalo then how long do they last?
I think aquaculture can be fine as long as we dont exploit other resources which pollute, to excess. much like we currently do with all forms of energy and mineral resources. it produces farmed fish stocks but at a greater cost. the return is poor.
Thats where your fond Unicorn power comes ito play. things like wind, solar, geothermal, energy recapture, are all better forms of making energy. plus better design on conumption to make them more efficient and reclaim much of the inherent waste energy. there is a whole lot we can do to get more from each kilowatt of power we produce and expend.
I like growing corals, and raising fish. but i also see my current system is an energy hog. to do it better, natural light green houses heated and cooled geothermally, with transparrent glass PV roofs for power to run pumps would be a better method. rather than buying power from the grid which produces on average 2 pounds of CO2 for each kilowatt of electricity produced. We have a long ways we can go to do it better . only limited by our imagination and ingenuity.
a new article today makes a new discovery on how depleting fish stocks might also be depleting the alkalinity of the oceans.
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090115/full/news.2009.30.html
seems they help replenish some of the carbonate. so , one more thing to worry about.
tufacody
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Congratulations. By accusing others of pretentiousness you have succeeded in making yourself, and this thread, the most pretentious I have ever read on this board.
I think you need to look up this word, then look in the mirror. Seriously man, are you trying to impress yourself by all this babble that could be summed up in one sentence?
I think you need to look up this word, then look in the mirror. Seriously man, are you trying to impress yourself by all this babble that could be summed up in one sentence?
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