Prodibio BioKit - Will start on Monday evening

[dobly_1999]

OK, here is the real deal why I am trying the Prodibio: The price was better than Zeovit and I read Iwan thread. I am sure vodka with the Kalkwasser/vinger (1gal/1tbsp) will do a simular thing.
I was going to purchase amino but the price was half that of Prodibio. So, I am doing Prodibio for kicks.

 

[OranguTang]

I would not even bother with stonti+ iodi+ or reefbooster for 6 weeks like I said above, give your tank some time to catch up and settle. I also dont dose stronti or iodi regardless, a good water change schedule should be taking care of those needs.

I think some people actually saw negative effects from dosing those two but I dont remember if there was a thread or not.

 

[dobly_1999]

Also, let invasion in the sump. Zeovit has you cleaning the rocks daily. Screw that...

 

[stony_corals]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12173594#post12173594 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dobly_1999
Also, let invasion in the sump. Zeovit has you cleaning the rocks daily. Screw that...

There's a reason for that , the biolfilm becomes food for your corals. If you reduce the N and P of your system, and you do not provide a way for corals to get N and P, your corals won't do well. Zoox provide mostly simple sugars to the coral, where would they get the N and P from if you took it out of the water, and didn't provide them with it?!? If you totally stripped your water of N and P, your corals wouldn't be too happy, but with majority of hobbyist test kits, you'll think you strip the water more than you do. Also, remember that hobbyists test kits only measure inorganic phosphates, not organic forms of phosphate. The phosphate cycle, unlike the nitrogen cycle, allows organic phosphate to become inorganic phosphates, PO4.

IMHO, while the bacteria can develop on glass and live rock surfaces, I do prefer the zeovit reactor approach better. Pumping isn't that big of a deal, kinda like cleaning your skimmer cup frequently...

 

[dobly_1999]

Stony,
Thank you for the explianation. I would like to try Zeovit, but Prodibio startup cost was within my budget in the attempt to get great looking corals. The other factor I am concerning is changing the skimmer to a larger, more efficient skimmer. I am looking at the new Octopus MSX200, the Aqua EV and MRC.
One thing about this hobby is it can dig DEEP in the pockets.

My bubby, Reefahoy, and I have discuss skimmers alot. He has made the investiment into a good skimmer. I will replace my NW150 only if I don't see dramatic colors in my corals.

Reefahoy is doing a more traditional method (very good skimmer, few additives, and water changes). I am doing a good skimmer (octopus NW150), BioKit and water changes.

Any input on the important of a skimmers, type and size, would be welcome when using Prodibio.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12173814#post12173814 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
There's a reason for that , the biolfilm becomes food for your corals. If you reduce the N and P of your system, and you do not provide a way for corals to get N and P, your corals won't do well. Zoox provide mostly simple sugars to the coral, where would they get the N and P from if you took it out of the water, and didn't provide them with it?!? If you totally stripped your water of N and P, your corals wouldn't be too happy, but with majority of hobbyist test kits, you'll think you strip the water more than you do. Also, remember that hobbyists test kits only measure inorganic phosphates, not organic forms of phosphate. The phosphate cycle, unlike the nitrogen cycle, allows organic phosphate to become inorganic phosphates, PO4.

IMHO, while the bacteria can develop on glass and live rock surfaces, I do prefer the zeovit reactor approach better. Pumping isn't that big of a deal, kinda like cleaning your skimmer cup frequently...

 

[sailfintang]

Dobly,

here is linl to the zeo thread i started and it has some great alternatives and mix and match options to do rather than running the whole system if you are interested in reading or trying any of those things.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1348770

Happy reefing

 

[stony_corals]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12174807#post12174807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dobly_1999
Stony,
Thank you for the explianation. I would like to try Zeovit, but Prodibio startup cost was within my budget in the attempt to get great looking corals. The other factor I am concerning is changing the skimmer to a larger, more efficient skimmer. I am looking at the new Octopus MSX200, the Aqua EV and MRC.
One thing about this hobby is it can dig DEEP in the pockets.

My bubby, Reefahoy, and I have discuss skimmers alot. He has made the investiment into a good skimmer. I will replace my NW150 only if I don't see dramatic colors in my corals.

Reefahoy is doing a more traditional method (very good skimmer, few additives, and water changes). I am doing a good skimmer (octopus NW150), BioKit and water changes.

Any input on the important of a skimmers, type and size, would be welcome when using Prodibio.

No problem, I think that because you have a sand bed that's yet another place for the bacteria to colonize The hobby can be very expensive, you are correct. The other thing is to look at what mods you could do for your NW150 to make it more efficient, I'm not up on this line, but I know some have bored out the hole of the venturi, meshmoded and have had better performance.

I'd say that if you are going to do this, start keeping a log, start measuring more frequently your NO3 and PO4..... observation and combined with some photos can help you 'learn' your tank.

 

[reefknight]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12158738#post12158738 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OranguTang
Start with 1 amp bioptim and 1 amp biodigest for 6 weeks, after that then 1 amp each every 2 weeks and 1 amp of reefbooster weekly.

When dosing turn off the skimmer for a few hours.

I just ran across this thread and am looking at starting Prodibio soon on my new 90gal system (approx. 115gal). I had purchased all of the kits several weeks ago and just hadn't started using it. I want to understand exactly what you're instructing; one amp each of Bioptim and BioDigest, per week for six weeks or total for the six weeks? I thought when I read Prodibio's website they instructed a massive start dose of one amp per 60L of BioDigest +1 amp for the filter. Why the big difference?

I'm not trying to be annoying or start a debate, just trying to understand before dosing my tank with it and killing my corals.

Breakdown of my system; 90gal display, ADHI model 30 sump, EuroReef RS 135 skimmer, 120lbs of LR, ATO system, (2) 250W DE MH (Giesemann 14k), (4) 54W T-5's(2-Giesemann Actinic+, (2) Hagen Marine Glo(Temporary), ACIII w/ Lunar Sim & AquaSurf, (2) Nano 6055's and a Vortech WWD. Corals include about 20 different species of SPS corals, about a dozen + LPS's, Bartlett antias trio, Sunburst anthias trio, pair of Aussie B& W occellaris clowns and over 200 inverts (hermit crabs, snails, shrimp, and conch's).

Thank you for any advice given!

 

[reefkoi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12161979#post12161979 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeff
Hehe, I absolutly bookmarked this thread. My problem is that to run Prodibio would cost a fortune due to the size of my main tank (220 gallons). The people on Marine Depot's website that reviewed the products really seem to like it.

I use it on a 600 gal tank, it costs me about $3.50 a day, I don't know if thats a fortune or not, this is an expensive hobby if you want the best results.
I'm thinking for a 220 gallon tank you'd be at about $500 a year, to me thats not a fortune, you can spend that much buying a couple nice corals so I guess it's all relative.
C

 

[fishfanatic06]

3.50 a day when I can get equivelant or better results without it? I won't put that stuff in my tank even if it is "miracle liquid". lol
Whatever JMO

 

[Harley-J]

I was thinking of using Prodibio, because I think there is no reactor costs like Zeo..Can you still use ozone with prodibio??

 

[glassbox-design]

Harley, you cannot use ozone, it will kill the bacteria.

 

[dobly_1999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12175639#post12175639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sailfintang
Dobly,

here is linl to the zeo thread i started and it has some great alternatives and mix and match options to do rather than running the whole system if you are interested in reading or trying any of those things.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1348770

Happy reefing

Thanks for the link. I read the article in glassbox and it makes a lot of sense to me.

As of March 25, 2008, when I got home late after a reef club meeting, the corals look about the same. The protein skimmer had pulled about a 1/4 inch of tea green stuff. I will attempt to clean the protein skimmer air hose.

 

[Kip]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12180413#post12180413 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glassbox-design
Harley, you cannot use ozone, it will kill the bacteria.

i am looking into zeovit or probidio.... where would you say is the biggest resource for information about probidio on the net? with all of the little factoids like the one you wrote about o3? The probidio site leaves a lot to be desired.

thanks

 

[crab0000]

I just ordered a Prodibio kit for my 37. Do any better instructions come with the kit? My tank registers .03 phosphates on a Hannah and 0 nitrate on a Seachem test kit, but I have macro algae growing in my system, so I'm not sure what's going on; I just hope Prodibio helps.

 

[LiveRock27]

I have been using the Prodibio Nano Kit in my 14gal BC since I started it 3 months ago. I have a small reading of PO4 and NO3, but that could be from feeding as much as I do. The instructions on the box are limited, but we had a guy from Prodibio speak at my reef club meeting and he said that you only had to turn your skimmer off for the Reef Booster and he recommended using the Reef Booster on a day by itself and after the lights went off. He said to leave the skimmer off over night or even just remove the collection cup and keep the skimmer running. I think this has something to do with ORP, but not totally sure. Since I have used it from the start I don't have any before and after pics, but my tank looks great, water is very clear and no algea any where in the tank. Good luck and can't wait to see the updates.

 

[glassbox-design]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12180586#post12180586 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kip
i am looking into zeovit or probidio.... where would you say is the biggest resource for information about probidio on the net? with all of the little factoids like the one you wrote about o3? The probidio site leaves a lot to be desired.

thanks

Unfortunately there is no cut and dry information out there. To understand the system, I'd suggest reading the zeo guides and lingering over there on the forums. Research and understanding how these systems work will help greatly and save time in trial and error.

 

[Kip]

i think i ahve a pretty good grasp on the zeo basics

i am at my whit's end on what do for a cyano/dino/brown fuzz algae (similar to ejocam's) problem. i cant figure out the source that is fueling it and corrective actions arent budging it... except for lights out.. then it returns in a few days. if i run GFO, it fades the corals and barely affects the problem.

so.. i am trying to figure out if something like probidio or even zeovit is right for me and how i should go about using these products for my specific problem


i run o3 and had no idea that you couldnt run it with probidio or zeo... thats why your post caught my attention and was wondering where i could find other little facts like such

... off to the zeo forum i go... thanks
thanks... i will look around some more

 

[Harley-J]

yeah I had read that you couldn't run o3 with zeo...I was kinda hoping that maybe its different with prodibio..I guess I don't know what I was thinking considering it is the same principle..

Here is what I don't understand though...if we create bios to eat away at nutrients..then we expel them by skimming them out...than what's the difference if we expel them via skimmer or ozone?? to me it sounds like the end result is the same??

 

[Harley-J]

I posted that question in SCR to get some answers..sorry for the highjack dobly_1999!!