Prodibio\Zeovit together

[migas_01]

So from the above table we can see that Prodibio does not use a carbon souce. Bioptim is only bacteria food and vitamines that promotes their growth like food7.

I´will start dosing Zeostart3 in a few days to see if I can keep up with my feeding regime or even increase it a little.

I am curently running a mini BK 160 gen2 on my 90gal system do you think this skimmer is big enough for a system with carbon dosing? Aggressive skimming seems to be very important when dosing.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

So from the above table we can see that Prodibio does not use a carbon souce

Not sure what you mean exactly, or where that table came from, but some Prodibio supplements are certainly organic carbon sources. Reef Booster, for example.

 

[migas_01]

So from the above table we can see that Prodibio does not use a carbon souce

Not sure what you mean exactly, or where that table came from, but some Prodibio supplements are certainly organic carbon sources. Reef Booster, for example.

From Prodibio.com web site: " All types of coral, even those with zooxanthellae, which feed on light, require nutrient supplements.
REEF BOOSTER is a complete nutrient supplement containing all the elements required by the invertebrates that feed solely or partly on microplankton and for zooxanthellae carrying coral which need microplankton.
REEF BOOSTER favours the development of corals, clams and micro-fauna and the reduction of nitrates and phosphates by feeding and maintaining anaerobic bacteria on live rocks.
REEF BOOSTER contains very high concentrations of the polyunsaturated fatty acid groups which all marine organisms need. "

What is the carbon source in reefbooster?

Reefbooster is sold as coral food suplement.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

The fatty acids are one (I use acetic acid as my carbon source, which is just a very short fatty acid), not sure what all else is in it since they do not say.

But this sentence clearly indicates (at least to me) that it has an organic carbon source

"the reduction of nitrates and phosphates by feeding and maintaining anaerobic bacteria on live rocks"

 

[migas_01]

The fatty acids are one (I use acetic acid as my carbon source, which is just a very short fatty acid), not sure what all else is in it since they do not say.

But this sentence clearly indicates (at least to me) that it has an organic carbon source

"the reduction of nitrates and phosphates by feeding and maintaining anaerobic bacteria on live rocks"

Yes I understand what you are saying. But this product is only advised after 6 weeks of using biodigest and bioptim when you reach a ULNS system.
It is sold as a booster for the reef so I dont understand why there is a carbon source in it.
The carbon source should be in bioptim which they sell as food for bacteria and prodibio says: " Bioptim provides bacteria with all the missing micro-nutrients: trace elements, selected amino acids, natural vitamins (Riboflavin) and surface agents from plants to facilitate absorption of the components by the cells. Bioptim dynamises these bacteria and enables a reduction of nitrates, phosphates and carbohydrates, a decrease in silt, mulm and filamentous algae, and an improvement of the water quality. "

 

[migas_01]

Yes I understand what you are saying. But this product is only advised after 6 weeks of using biodigest and bioptim when you reach a ULNS system.
It is sold as a booster for the reef so I dont understand why there is a carbon source in it.
The carbon source should be in bioptim which they sell as food for bacteria and prodibio says: " Bioptim provides bacteria with all the missing micro-nutrients: trace elements, selected amino acids, natural vitamins (Riboflavin) and surface agents from plants to facilitate absorption of the components by the cells. Bioptim dynamises these bacteria and enables a reduction of nitrates, phosphates and carbohydrates, a decrease in silt, mulm and filamentous algae, and an improvement of the water quality. "

Also from FAQ at Prodibio.com

" With a treatment for the infestation of Derbesia algae, it is possible to use the Reef Booster in the same time or it will encourage the Derbesia algae growth?

The problem of Derbesia will be solved rapidly with the use of BioDigest and Bioptim.
Concerning the addition of Reef Booster you can make a test to start it in the same time. If the Derbesia increases, stop it until it has totally disappeared."

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Well, I can't help what they recommend. A lot of companies make poor recommendations and poor products.

Some of these sorts of products contain so many different types of unstated ingredients that one cannot even know what they are referring to with respect to any particular effect.

It is a carbon source via the fatty acids and may contain others or else I don't see why it would comment on the anaerobic bacteria.

That said, maybe they figure to get the bacteria established before driving them too hard with a carbon source.

FWIW, I don't think it likely that many reef tanks will get to ULNS by adding bacteria alone with no carbon source.

 

[migas_01]

Well, I can't help what they recommend. A lot of companies make poor recommendations and poor products.

Some of these sorts of products contain so many different types of unstated ingredients that one cannot even know what they are referring to with respect to any particular effect.

It is a carbon source via the fatty acids and may contain others or else I don't see why it would comment on the anaerobic bacteria.

That said, maybe they figure to get the bacteria established before driving them too hard with a carbon source.

FWIW, I don't think it likely that many reef tanks will get to ULNS by adding bacteria alone with no carbon source.

Here is another one from Prodibio.com FAQ page: " How effective are the products for a reef aquarium with high nitrate levels and how long to solve the problem?

BioDigest and Bioptim enable, by the increase and dynamisation of these bacteria, a reduction in nitrates, phosphates and carbohydrates. It’s better to use these products just after changing the water. The results will be seen after one month of use."

How do you reduce nitrate without a carbon source?

Randy I am not saying you are wrong or anything. I agree with most of your statements here.
I just would like to understand these products a little better :spin1:

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I'd like to understand them better too, but without knowing what is in them it is very hard.

One idea is they they have some organic carbon in them without saying so.

A second is they try to utilize the naturally occurring organics in the water.

A third is they try to drive other reactions that do not involve organics (like sulfur denitrators do).

Without knowing what is in the products, it is hard to say which, if any, of these might be the intent.