Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

sorry, you can't rule out airborne contamination so unfortunately this episode proves nothing about the salt. However, on the plus side, penicillin was discovered when bread mold unintentionally contaminated a petri dish in a similar manner, so who knows, you might have the next boon to mankind growing in your mixing bucket! :D
 
your bucket was uncovered, exposed to anything that could have gotten into it, and you had a 250w halide hanging over the top of it, what did you expect to happen?

this must be the 50th thread on Oceanic being terrible, and still, the number of people with great results easily outnumber the people with bad ones.

it looks to me like something got in your bucket, in 7 years of mixing saltwater I have never once seen a salt mix like that with those results, and I've used just about every brand at least once.
 
Algae or mold spores may be in the air but they need nutrients to grow. If the RO water is pure then nutrients must come from the salt or from the container. The water is not going to suck nitrates and phosphates out of the air. I've had RO water sitting in a white bucket uncovered outside in warm weather for a week with nothing at all growing in it. Was mojodeli's bucket clean? Rinsing the container with bleach will not remove scum from the bucket. He would had to have scrubbed it. If it was scrubbed, then i would guess it was the salt. But would all Oceanic salt do this? Maybe not, it could be just bad batches and that's a quality control problem which also would explain why some people have had bad results and some have not.
 
I do the samething with Reef crystals and let it stand for 48hrs, except my bucket is only a 5 gallon bucket, and I have it next to the tank with MH and vho's that light up the whole area and I never have had algea grow in it from the light. Yes the top of the bucket is open, I don't think I will use it and will stick with Reef crystals.

Thanks for the info
 
I find your experiment rather comical and yet totally inaccurate. I have been using Oceanic wixed with RODI in a brown Rubbermaid 15gal trash can sitting outside with daily sunlight shining on it for over a year with absolutely ZERO algae growth (yes it had the cover on it). I will admit that for a breif period of time there was some slight diatom growth on the side of the can that gets the most sun during the summer, but when I changed the RODI filters, it immediately went away. In my tank, I have had Zero issues with bad water or anything like that, so claiming it is the salt is jumping the gun. Yes, it is possible you recieved a bad batch, but it still proves nothing considering you have posted nothing to compare it to. But if you are so very convinced in the fact that it is the salt, then do what you need to do. All I know is that I have been using it for over a year and have had absolutly no ill results because of it.
 
it could be just bad batches and that's a quality control problem which also would explain why some people have had bad results and some have not.
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That makes it even worse if you ask me.

How much money are we spending on livestock and critters just to have a salt manufacture produce bad batchs and not fix the issue or come public and tell the industry that they are on it and trying to figure out what the heck the problem is. Why spend money on it if you might be the next one to get a bad batch, never know it might happen. Then there goes all your care and loving down the drain because "bad batch" of salt. I'm sure the other manufactures have went through this but where is all the dooms day post about Tropic marin,Reef crystals,IO and the other top quality salts? Mojo use something else you might be better for it and have a heck of a lot less stress then battling algea problems.

Thanks again.
 
^I agree.
For those of you who don't believe in the possibility of bad batches, let me say that I deal with consumer product recalls all the time. For a new company or product quality control is a really common problem. Personally I'll stick with IO which is still the most popular salt in the world and has been around forever. The older the company the more bugs they've already worked out. And, I'm not too lazy to dose my own Ca and Mg as needed.
 
Oceanic is Junk. BTW nice calcium readings it gives you. Yeah its a great help. I'm so happy it made my calcium go off the charts. Oh I can't forget the nice Alk readings also.

Also thanks Oceanic for my red carpet algea

IO all the way!!!!
 
You said you had the can right next to a refugium. Stuff probably carried in the air on splashed water particles. Or even just by a gust of air. Your not using a clean system. But still nothing should have grown if you had good water. Did you test ur water before you mixed? I say you mix up a 5g and see if it happens again. Whatcha gonna do with teh salt anyways if not test it?
 
has anyone mentioned airborne contamination as a possible source? doh! typically these thinges are kept in laundry rooms, etc....plenty of stuff floating around.

and regarding shimek and his recommendation for bioassay....just do a search and you'll find plenty. or attend any IMAC/MACNA and talk to a few folks.

tom
 
That $18 per 50 gal mix equates to $72 per 200 gal mix when the average salt that people purchase is around the $35-$40 range for a 200 gal mix. Almost half the price. I would assume that would deter a lot of folks out there who do large quantity water changes. Unfortunately there is a lack of distrubituers out there who sell it in bulk. (at least that I can tell)
 
mnjlp27 said:
I find your post pretty comical. Not much of a scientific conclusion. Could be dozens of reasons for that.
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^euphimism.
translation: 'Your post it asinine, your experiment is asinine, and I'm dismissing it under a vague, condescending premise. Now I'm going to go get a sandwich.'

I never realized so many people on RC held stock in Oceanic.

I stopped using it after inconsistent Ca and Alk readings.
 
it is amazing how defensive this thread has become: those for and those against...

it almost seems like a battle between coke and pepsi drinkers...sorta kinda...

here is my reason for not using oceanic...

ahem...i ca not reveal the people i spoke with about this as for him to not lose his job...

standing around a lfs one day...ah, yes, it was bright and sunny...well, it is southern california and it is mostly sunny everyday 9except earlier this year!)...

i was sick and tired of the nsw we get here...catalina...for the past several months, i was getting this weird slimy algae i have never seen before...let's call it mother natures batch inconsistency...

so, here i am, standing around and i talk to one of the more knowledgeable employee's (who will remain nameless). i asked which artificial salt is good. this employee replies without hesitation 'tropic marin'. i say that i don't see it in the store. the employee says that it is not carried here. he/she purchases it elsewhere. i asked what do they sell here. this person mentions 'oceanic'. i asked why doesn't he/she use it on their personal tank. this person replies 'because i have seen and heard catastrophic problems with it'.

also, after reading anthony calfo's forum and the fact that he doesnt like oceanic's formulation from the get go...really, i may read a ton of articles, journals etc...but i am not directly involved with reef aquaria science. i would rather trust the opinion of someone in the field. when someone reports that they are having horrific problems with something and someone else refutes it by saying that 'they' never had a problem is extremely unscientific on both ends.

i do not have the time...nor the financial means to 'experiment' with things as criticial as salt mixes. i am not going to blow thousands of dollars worth of organisms (not to mention the extinguishing of life) because i will not be open to differing opinions.

as honore balzac wrote in pere goriot by the character, Vautrin said 'only a fool does not change his opinion'. i will honestly say that i have been a fool many a times! and i try to learn from these.

besides calfo's statements, there are just too many ancedotal threads about problems with oceanic. maybe they are just rumors and these individuals want someone or something to blame for problems...but i do not hear stories of tropic marin or instant ocean horror threads.
 
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