Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

I hate pepsi. I do have a preference for coke. :D

What horror stories about Tropic Marin? I used that for years. Bit pricey. I started using Oceanic recently and did see some brown slimy algae that went away, but otherwise, ok. My Ca is also in check and dKH. Don't know why. I'd expect my water to fall in line with the majority. I do run a Ca+ reactor, maybe that's why. What did "a" Calfo say about Oceanic? I respect him being an author and "expert" on reefing.
 
I don't think it is really a matter of taking sides, but a thread like this one <b>feels</b> like it will cause some to panic or quickly come to the conclusion this must be fact.

I would have preferred if the original poster had measured the salt with all his/her test kits and showed some numbers we can comprehend, instead of a bucket of stagnating water. Results of the source water would be good to know as well.

So some chimed in with their own thoughts, stating it is good stuff not to be blamed in this way. I find the topic of this thread to be questionable at best. Myself, I've been using Oceanic salt for the past 6 to 8 months, and have 6 200g buckets on hand. I've not had these problems, but then again I only change 50g a month on my 300g system.
 
Not to change the topic but has any1 here used Marinemax or whatever the scientific grade stuff is? I really want to try that stuff every time i open my petsolutions catalog. Is that what you were talkign about Saltzcreep? Im not sure of the name im thinking of but i know its scientific grade. Theres a small company around here where i live that makes a nice mix. The store i used to work at has been using it the last few months and all the LPS corals puffed up HUGE. Its weird.
 
Thanks. See there is use in everything, or almost! :D I just started using RO/DI water for the first time and dicovered "TA-DUM" I might need to buffer it when mixing salt water. :D
 
gatohoser said:
Not to change the topic but has any1 here used Marinemax or whatever the scientific grade stuff is? I really want to try that stuff every time i open my petsolutions catalog. Is that what you were talkign about Saltzcreep?
Yep. But they don't sell it in bulk. So, 18 dollars for a 50 gallon is, as Worldwithin wrote, 72 dollars for every 200 gallons. That's a bit pricey so I'll stick with IO.
 
Funny thing is I haven't seen one post about oceanic nuking a tank. It's usually algae growth. Also because a lfs employee tells you a salt is bad, do you believe it? I had one tell me all mandarins eat frozen food so it must be so.
 
To be clear, I have been using this salt since it was available. How long is that? A year or so? My tank has been great until recently when I started noticing a brown slime growing on my rocks. Since then my Chaeto started growing more slowly. My TDS readings were 2 but I changed the all of my filters and DI resin anyway.

Still the slime was growing as I performed weekly 5% water changes. Matters only got worse so I started changing 10% every week. Now my tank is getting really bad so I went to 5% everyday and feed the tank once per week. The slime was now over taking everything. Then I cleaned out the gunk from the sump and fuge while doing a 20% water change.

I don't have a heavy bio load for a 300g system. BTA, Maroon Clown, Orange Cap, one sm acro colony and a large digitata colony. My skimmer is more than adeqaute(ER CS12-4) for my system. My 250w DEs are less than three months old. Temp is a rock solid 80. Ph is a rock solid 8.3. My litermeter keeps the tank at a contant 1.027.

My tank has been set up for nearly two years. I did crash my tank last summer because of a faulty temp probe in my AQII. I lost 95% of my stuff but did water changes and got everything under control. I had a very minor algae outbreak at that time but things turned around with no issues until I swtiched locations of where I buy my buckets of Oceanic.

With all of my water changes things should have gotten better but they didn't. I checked my RODI water. No phosphate and the TDS reads zero.

I started thinking the only thing I have been adding is salt. I searched RC for info on oceanic and algae problems and found two huge threads. Many people were having the same problem as me. I've ruled out everything else. And remembered that the problems coincided with my getting buckets of Oceanic from a different LFS in AZ.

I am not new to reefing and have been keeping SPS many years with great results. How can my method of reefing work so well for 6 years and then fail miserably when I get new buckets of salt? The salt is the only variable in my system.

I've left buckets of new saltwater by my window for almost a week at times in the past because I couldn't change the water when I wanted to and I've never had anything grow in my buckets of new salt water.

How does that much stuff grow in just two days? There are supposed to be no nutrients in the water. Sure stuff may get into the water in the course of two days but not enough to grow that much stuff!! Yes, I scrubbed the bucket before I added anything to it. Was my experiment scientific? Not at all but it's enough for me to know it was the salt and not me. Especially considering that many of the local AZ reefers that bought oceanic from the same location are reporting the same problems.

What else could it be? Perhaps for some of you it's more plausible that a brown slime encrusted meteor crashed in the Arizona desert thus infecting all of our tanks. :-)
 
jay24k said:
Funny thing is I haven't seen one post about oceanic nuking a tank. It's usually algae growth. Also because a lfs employee tells you a salt is bad, do you believe it? I had one tell me all mandarins eat frozen food so it must be so.


I have see at least a dozen posts about oceanic 'nuking' a tank.
 
Saltz Creep said:
I take it Bio-Sea Marinemix is the least toxic of the readily available salts. Why is it not popular then? It's only 18 dollars for 50 gallon mix at Premium Aquatics.

Ron's salt study is taken by many to be quite flawed.
 
Saltz Creep said:
I take it Bio-Sea Marinemix is the least toxic of the readily available salts. Why is it not popular then?
[by one much argued-about, not really peer-reviewed, hobby article]

Search is your friend ;)

I seem to recall some folks had issues switching salts after reading Shimek's study. Search back a few years - and there's some interesting reading about different salts.

As Melev said, this is often such a heated topic - and one most often with conflicting results.
What works for you just might not work for me ... this should be expected at times in this hobby.
 
I've never used Oceanic, and have no opinion about it one way or the other....but...

If you are making a claim like this, you cant base it on the test you ran. You didn't compare it to anything else. Its FAR from a scientific test.

Two identical cans sitting next to each other with water from the same source, mixed with the two tested brands of salt. Run @ same temp, and SG and same lighting. See what happens in a few days. If one has algae, and one doesn't, then there is something to look at. Testing only one with nothing to compare against just leaves too many variables open IMO.
 
Yet another interesting thread on the great salt debate!:rolleyes:

As for my minimal experience, I have used Reef Crystals, Tropic Marine, and now Oceanic. My Ca/DKh/Mg/ph have always been in "spec" with Oceanic. The only thing I have a "complaint" with this salt is the need to dose Strontium, as this mineral seems to be non existant with this salt. I have read about some bad experiences that poeple who use Oceanic salt have had. I am certainly not quallified to say that their bad experience can be traced to "bad salt", but as to my experience thus far, I have had no issues with oceanic, or the other salts that I had mentioned for that matter. Just my two copper colored coins.:bum:

BTW: My water is mixed in my basement @ about65 degrees, in an uncovered Brute 44 gallon container, with no light over the top. The only light it gets is when I'm down there working or some bleed over from my fuge light.

Cleanup in aisle 3 please, there seems to be opened can-o-worms:D
 
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k here is my second take on the salt issue as well. i dont use oceanic but if i recall from my lfs years, oceanic is not a synthetic salt. there for you must take into account all the trace elements and other stuff in it. its like certain food items you eat. there is a percentage of unknown stuff in it. im sure this is true with most salts we use in our tanks. i sure its a small amount but in the salt it could be algae and other things. in my opinion, i bet most all sea salt would do this in the same situation with intense lighting in it and nothing to use up the nutrients. if there are algae spores, its going to bloom quickly with light and available bio nutrients. think of it as a garden with weeds, there always there! when salt is mixed with water, i was always told to store in covered container, and in a cool dark place! just for this reason. when it is put into a tank you should remember a tanks bio load, ie live rock, corals, macro algae's etc. they start feeding on this quickly and minimize any algae blooms at that point. im no expert, but thats my take on it! and thats just my opinion! remember when things go wrong in our systems, its easy to point a finger. but the question you should ask is to try to contact the vendor, and see how they recomend mixing saltwater and storing it, or just change vendors. just my opinion as we all have vendor preferences! and i can relate to how you feel!

john
 
grim said:
I think those pictures are solid evidence of the problem.

jb

Of a problem, yes... of the problem, I'm not so sure.
I like SJM's idea of 2 mixing buckets same water/light/temp/sg....
just different salt, then I think you could link it to faulty salt.
 
grim said:
I think those pictures are solid evidence of the problem.

jb
And I don't.:D

Heck, does everyone think the TDS of tap in Arizona is the same as that of other regions of the USA? We all have different sources of freshwater and different batches of saltmix. Whose to say if a person posting their opinion here has a RO/DI unit in need of a cartridge change?
Search back in the RC archives. Every brand of saltmix that I know of has threads just like this one- where users claim the mix is 'bad'. I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong. I am saying that I know of lots of successful systems using Oceanic saltmix.
 
those pictures dont prove anything...you hang a de 250 pendant over a garbage can full of distilled laboratory grade water mixed with any salt you like (tropic marin since it's pharmacuetical grade components) and you'll get the same result...plus how do you know some crap isnt passing through your r/o di combo ?
 
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