PROP Auction

[AZBigJohn]

I don't want to get too specific as it might embarrass someone. I'll probably message that person privately and let them know they might want to pickup some flatworm exit (and how to properly use it safely). I understand stuff happens and they might not even know they have FWs. Just a precautionary for anyone that might not realize the importance of dipping. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure.

I respect you not wanting to embarrass someone... Were those found after a dip of corals from the PROP auction?

 

[Vanpire]

I appreciate Spongie too, but they were from my tank. I had no idea I had so many and I dip and inspect all of my corals.

If you got corals from me, I will be happy to refund your money. And I even have a leopard wrasse.

 

[Jayreefer]

At least those red flatworms are harmless.

 

[Spongie]

I appreciate Spongie too, but they were from my tank. I had no idea I had so many and I dip and inspect all of my corals.

If you got corals from me, I will be happy to refund your money. And I even have a leopard wrasse.

No need for a refund Brother! It's really not a biggie for me as I said, I dip religiously. I sent you my treatment methodology via PM. My contact info is in there as well in case you have questions or need help.

At least those red flatworms are harmless.

FW toxicity and shading aren't completely harmless but yes you are correct that they aren't predatory at least.

I respect you not wanting to embarrass someone... Were those found after a dip of corals from the PROP auction?

They were from Prop but I'm not worried about it and if everyone is treating their corals as they should with thorough dipping and examination before introduction into their displays they shouldn't be worried either. If they aren't then they are playing with fire. I did a double treatment with twice the normal time to ensure that I got them all.

 

[AZBigJohn]

No need for a refund Brother! It's really not a biggie for me as I said, I dip religiously. I sent you my treatment methodology via PM. My contact info is in there as well in case you have questions or need help.



FW toxicity and shading aren't completely harmless but yes you are correct that they aren't predatory at least.



They were from Prop but I'm not worried about it and if everyone is treating their corals as they should with thorough dipping and examination before introduction into their displays they shouldn't be worried either. If they aren't then they are playing with fire. I did a double treatment with twice the normal time to ensure that I got them all.

Do you use Bayer? Or what dip method do you use?

All of the coral I bought went into my frag tank, mainly because I don't have my levels quite where I want them in my main tank yet.

I have never dipped but probably should start. Your post was a wakeup call.

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[AZBigJohn]

I appreciate Spongie too, but they were from my tank. I had no idea I had so many and I dip and inspect all of my corals.

If you got corals from me, I will be happy to refund your money. And I even have a leopard wrasse.

All respect in the world, my friend. I tried my darndest to get some of your zoas, but they were popular!

You have great stuff. If I had managed to snag anything of yours, I certainly wouldn't ask for a refund...

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[Spongie]

Do you use Bayer? Or what dip method do you use?

All of the coral I bought went into my frag tank, mainly because I don't have my levels quite where I want them in my main tank yet.

I have never dipped but probably should start. Your post was a wakeup call.

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I use Coral Rx, I have used Bayer in the past with success but I haven't had any issues with AEFW which is the main reason to use Bayer, I examine all acros very carefully for bite marks and eggs, if I ever find any I dispose of the coral immediately (which seems harsh but I don't like risking it) . In my experience the more likely culprits will be FW or nudis which will be killed or weakened by Coral Rx and can be blown or shaken off of the coral or removed during the rinsing process. Also while never proven entirely I have know a few reefers that I trust say that they have experienced STN/RTN with their acropora down the road (3-8 months)from Bayer dips. While that isn't a quantifiable number I would prefer to err on the side of caution. Bayer is extremely nasty stuff if you read the MSDS (material safety data sheet) and shouldn't be handled without PPE (personal protective equipment). As far as dosage just use the normal dosage on packaging for Coral Rx and examine the contents of the dipping container after the allotted time and if you see any fallout, rinse and repeat with a double dosage and longer time period until there isn't any fallout. I would rather risk stressing/losing the coral a bit more than risk infesting the display with something that will require even more drastic action.

 

[Stolireef]

Gotta say that this conversation is why I love this group. Everyone is respectful and thoughtful. Keeps the hobby fun.

 

[Jayreefer]

Gotta say that this conversation is why I love this group. Everyone is respectful and thoughtful. Keeps the hobby fun.

Agree!

Also I use Bayer on all SPS. LPS and zoa I use Coral RX. Last year I was only using Coral RX and had AEFM, red bugs, and monti eating nudies all get past the Coral RX. Good thing all where still large frags to mini colonies so it was easy to ride them all with my coral QT up and running.

 

[NewReefer42]

just to comment about bayer. I'm new to reefing but an analytical chemist in my day job and have an MS in biochemistry. the chemicals in bayer are pretty nasty for inverts and bugs and whatnot, but plants and higher animals (even coral) are much more resistant to the actives. the danger from the bayer is more the solvent used to keep the pesticide in solution and stable over time rather than the actives themselves. just my 2 cents, but it is highly unlikely that SPS rtn/stn are caused by bayer in any way, using normal dipping methods. I always use bayer and coral Rx.

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[Vanpire]

just to comment about bayer. I'm new to reefing but an analytical chemist in my day job and have an MS in biochemistry. the chemicals in bayer are pretty nasty for inverts and bugs and whatnot, but plants and higher animals (even coral) are much more resistant to the actives. the danger from the bayer is more the solvent used to keep the pesticide in solution and stable over time rather than the actives themselves. just my 2 cents, but it is highly unlikely that SPS rtn/stn are caused by bayer in any way, using normal dipping methods. I always use bayer and coral Rx.

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How long is the chemical active? I use Bayer for everything.

 

[NewReefer42]

How long is the chemical active? I use Bayer for everything.

what exactly do you mean by active? you mean in the bottle, cool and dry? or on the surface of a coral during and after a dip? in the bottle, a couple of years most likely. exposed to oxygen, it oxidizes readily quickly (over the course of a few days), and with heat, also decompsoses. Arizona garaged probably aren't the best place for it, but we just take a potency hit if we keep it for a while. not a huge deal.

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[Vanpire]

I am just going to buy another bottle. It wasn't available for a while. The prices dropped to $10 at Lowe's.

 

[Frick]

This is why we try to do a Reef Pest & Treatment Workshop at least once a year. I'm glad these things get brought up but maybe we should mention a reminder in the initial PROP threads for now on.

 

[Vanpire]

This is why we try to do a Reef Pest & Treatment Workshop at least once a year. I'm glad these things get brought up but maybe we should mention a reminder in the initial PROP threads for now on.

That is a really good idea

 

[NewReefer42]

agreed, when's the next one?

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[marymoemurf]

agreed, when's the next one?

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July 15th. There is a link on the 1st page that will give you all the dates. It's fun seeing what is available for auction.

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