PROP Meeting

I don't believe there is, going off last year's calendar I would assume there won't be any until March or April... I'm a n00b though so this is all speculatory
 
Hi everybody. I may have spoken too soon. It sounds like this one might be tough to pull off. I am sure if that changes, somebody will chime in.
 
Instead of an auction, I wonder if we can just do a FRAG exchange meeting. That would be a lot less work for the team.
 
I have a lot because I haven't gone to the meetings.

RR Pink Floyd
Orange Passion acro
AquaSD Rainbow Mille
ORA Pearlberry (originally from Ubaneks)
ORA tricolor valida
ORA Hawkins echinata
Miyagi Tort
Green with purple tip stags
Green Digi
Peach Digi
Porter's Pink Acro (according to Brad - Ubaneks)
Oregon Tort (really nice and deep blue piece)
Orange and green mushrooms
Green and yellow mushrooms
Green and red blastos
Mummy eye chalice
green and purple yumas
Strawberry Fields
Neon Green Candy Canes
Neon Green Toadstool
Shawn Bennet Torts
Grape juice acro
Purple Cap
Chili Pepper Cap
Jade green hammer
Purple and green hammer

Anyway, that's off the top of my head.
 
I got quite a few PMs. No one has noticed, but I never post anything for sale other than for an auction and on very rare occasions, FRAG meetings. This is because my significant other does not like people she doesn't know coming over to our house. I am actually happy to have reefers over, but I have to keep her happy. She is supporting this expensive and time consuming hobby so....

I hope we can have some kind of FRAG or PROP soon.

I would like to trade, sell, give, buy corals with community here.
 
I never thought that backyard swaps were something that we wanted to get away from... I certainly think that the prop auction is a step in the wrong direction. It goes against so many facets of what a reefing community should be.

We should see if there is any interest in a back yard get together. I definitely would welcome the change.
 
I think backyards can be a great idea. This is a way is like a FRAG meeting, right?

I like the PROP idea, especially when I first started, because it leveled the playing field. Anyone can get corals if they really wanted it. When I first started, there were people who would sell corals to me because I was new and "wasn't experienced enough" for their corals. So I got most of the first corals from PROP.
 
Vanpire said:
I think backyards can be a great idea. This is a way is like a FRAG meeting, right?
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I think so but more low tech, no building rental, no liability insurance, no booth fees etc... Just a gathering of a bunch of people willing to bring a cooler full of frags or even set up a small frag tank and sell/trade corals at a reasonable price.


When I first started, there were people who would[n't] sell corals to me because I was new and "wasn't experienced enough" for their corals. So I got most of the first corals from PROP.
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That shouldn't have happened, you should be the one to decide when you're ready for coral. I don't know that I would deny a coral to someone just because I feel they're not ready, I may voice concern that this particular coral is not a beginner coral......yadda yadda. You might have misconstrued the situation, the seller might have just wanted you to succeed and not be discouraged when you spent lots of money just to have them all die in your tank. That sort of thing makes a person want to tear down a tank and sell everything off.


I like the PROP idea, especially when I first started, because it leveled the playing field. Anyone can get corals if they really wanted it.
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That's a good point, I look at it from a "bigger picture" point of view. Having these auctions inflate the cost of coral and prohibit the free trade within the community. The auctions I went to, there were corals that I would literally give away, selling for $50+. I understand the competitive nature of auctions and how certain primal characteristics are elevated when you're caught in a bidding war... but a frag that should've been traded or sold for $10 commands a bid of $70?? I ask, Is that the intended purpose?

I would go out on a limb and venture to guess that the price you spent on the corals in your tank could've been purchased at a fraction of the price if there was free trade in the community. Let's say you spent $50 on a euphyllia that should be less than $10, as that coral grows out you're going to want to sell frags of that euphyllia for a similar price. So now we have a community that is selling their corals for more than they're worth. When new people enter the hobby and are ready for corals, they think that said euphyllia is worth $50+. In my mind that's crippling to a community.

I know that goes against a lot of peoples social construct. People may see the club as a sort of loophole to make some money back. Believe me, I know that this hobby is expensive, however, try not to lose sight that it is a hobby and the only way to bring the price down is to stop supporting the inflation of the trade. We need to go back to basics and allow the community to thrive and when that happens you will have a healthy club and a group of people willing to bend over backwards for other hobbyist.
 
Sisterlimonpot said:
That's a good point, I look at it from a "bigger picture" point of view. Having these auctions inflate the cost of coral and prohibit the free trade within the community. The auctions I went to, there were corals that I would literally give away, selling for $50+. I understand the competitive nature of auctions and how certain primal characteristics are elevated when you're caught in a bidding war... but a frag that should've been traded or sold for $10 commands a bid of $70?? I ask, Is that the intended purpose?

I would go out on a limb and venture to guess that the price you spent on the corals in your tank could've been purchased at a fraction of the price if there was free trade in the community. Let's say you spent $50 on a euphyllia that should be less than $10, as that coral grows out you're going to want to sell frags of that euphyllia for a similar price. So now we have a community that is selling their corals for more than they're worth. When new people enter the hobby and are ready for corals, they think that said euphyllia is worth $50+. In my mind that's crippling to a community.

I know that goes against a lot of peoples social construct. People may see the club as a sort of loophole to make some money back. Believe me, I know that this hobby is expensive, however, try not to lose sight that it is a hobby and the only way to bring the price down is to stop supporting the inflation of the trade. We need to go back to basics and allow the community to thrive and when that happens you will have a healthy club and a group of people willing to bend over backwards for other hobbyist.
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I like you. :beer:
 
Sisterlimonpot: I would love it if someone could set a backyard get together. I would go if my work schedule permits as I like trading corals, especially if prices are less.

I still love PROP auctions. Even at the inflated prices, I am still able to buy corals I want for significantly less than almost everywhere else. And on the few occasions where I can sell, I often get less than what I paid originally. And almost always, I used proceeds from the sales to buy others corals at the auction. Kinda like trading with but with cash is the middle.

My first choice of coral acquisition would have been from PROP auctions. However, I haven't been able to go to a PROP auction for a really long time, nearly a year. So I ended up buying corals the LFS (fairly expensive), from some local reefers (fairly reasonable), and online (really expensive but sometimes no choice for what I want).
 
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