Propagating anemones by division.

elegance coral

They call me EC
I posted this in another thread, but I thought it was important enough to warrant starting a new thread. Hopefully this way more people may benefit from the information.

This is Dr. Daphne Fautin's take on the subject.

"To prevent taking animals from the wild, some well-intentioned people propose cutting sea anemones in pieces to propagate them artificially. I am astonished how often I receive such proposals! It appears that only (or nearly only) anemones that naturally divide will predictably survive this treatment. Despite a persistent belief otherwise, anemones of most species do not reproduce asexually: only two of the 10 species that are natural hosts to anemonefishes do, and that may be a pretty good estimate of the prevalence of that ability among all anemones - 20% of species.

Perhaps the myth that division is how anemones reproduce is due in part to the feeling that anemones are "primitive" and division is a "primitive" attribute (in fact, anemones have been on earth far longer than humans, so can be argued to be more evolved!), and in part because pests such as *Aiptasia* are many peoples' ideas of a "typical" anemone. In fact, they are so prevalent and common precisely because they have that unusual ability - most of the 1000 or so species of anemones are less conspicuous because they do not occur in such densities at least in part because they lack that ability.

Another possible source of the misconception about anemone division is the practice of fragging corals. Clearly anemones and scleractinian corals are closely related. But that does not mean they can be treated identically. All anemones are solitary (even those that divide separate entirely once they have formed separate bodies, whereas polyps of corals in a colony remain physically attached to one another after they have arisen asexually). So fragging is dividing colonies (groups of polyps) into smaller colonies (fewer polyps per piece). By contrast, cutting an anemone into pieces is analogous to cutting you into two or more pieces; and for anemones of most species, the result would be precisely the same -- we would not have numerous identical yous, we would have no you.

Associated with an ability in some anemones to divide (into two or many pieces, depending on the species) is an ability to heal; obviously healing is necessary for regeneration. And although the reverse is not necessarily the case, it seems that animals that do not normally divide also have poor healing ability. So the prospects are dim for propagating anemones of species that do not naturally divide by cutting them into two or more pieces. One person who wrote to me rather triumphantly with a proposal to reduce collection from nature by cutting anemones in pieces as a means of artificial propagation was so pleased because he had cut in half two anemones of a species that does not reproduce asexually (as I recall, it was a species of *Stichodactyla*), and although both halves of one had died, both of the other had survived. So he started with two and ended with two, each half as large as the originals. I failed to see promise in this approach.

And even for the two species of anemonefish host anemones that seem to divide in nature, differences from place to place make me think there may be more than one species of what we think is a single species of each or there may be differences among individuals. Thus, even an anemone that is thought to be able to propagate asexually (*Entacmaea quadricolor*, the bubble-tip, and *Heteractis magnifica*, the "Ritteri" anemone) may die from being cut up.


Daphne Fautin


Daphne G. Fautin
Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
Curator, Natural History Museum and Biodiversity Research Center
Haworth Hall
University of Kansas"
 
Thanks for the info. I have 2 BTAs a Rose and a green. I would not in any means think of cutting them. I just think there are to many things that can go wrong with infections and all pieces of them would not heal properly.
 
Interesting post Elegance.

If I can throw my two cents in here...

I can respond more to the last paragraph than anything. I started an anemone farm a few months back to try to get some asexually propagated specimens to sell/trade. I have tried cutting my two anemones once each (they were clones of each other). Both halves of both original anemones are at their 3 week mark and doing remarkably well. The only way to tell they were cut is because 2 of the tentacles are shorter than the rest on each anemone. They are pretty much completely healed. I have heard that other people have had success rates around 95% cutting. That is astonishingly high and with enough propagation, certainly more can be left in the oceans.

I do not have any first hand experience cutting stichodactyla anemones. Just because they don't split naturally in the wild does not mean they can't be split in home aquariums (provided the right environment). It isn't natural to have corals, anemones, and lots of the other organisms in the close confines of our aquariums, but they can do fine, as long as the proper environment is given.

Fautin says that the person had a 50% success rate with that particular type of stichodactyla anemone. 2 cuttings is not enough to say it can't be done. Very few inventions and other things would be done if people stopped after two unsuccessful attempts. Could they tell what went wrong? Infection? Were the anemones in a propagation system with no chemical warefare or harassing going on? There are far to many variables and possible scenarios to say that cutting that particular species has no promise. If the person cannot provide a near-perfect environment propagation shouldn't be attempted. Who knows what this person had though. Maybe they took the carpet out of their tank, cut it in half with a scissors, and thew it back in their tank. A 50% success rate with this method would be great!

I don't mean to discount what Fautin is saying, but I think more research must be done, especially with anemones that don't produce by division in the wild. Certainly asexual cutting of anemones shouldn't be tried by most people under most circumstances.
 
Interesting post Elegance.

If I can throw my two cents in here...

I can respond more to the last paragraph than anything. I started an anemone farm a few months back to try to get some asexually propagated specimens to sell/trade. I have tried cutting my two anemones once each (they were clones of each other). Both halves of both original anemones are at their 3 week mark and doing remarkably well. The only way to tell they were cut is because 2 of the tentacles are shorter than the rest on each anemone. They are pretty much completely healed. I have heard that other people have had success rates around 95% cutting. That is astonishingly high and with enough propagation, certainly more can be left in the oceans.

Daphne Fautin wasn't saying that BTA's couldn't be propagated asexually, in the last paragraph. What I believe she was referring to is that BTA and magnifica, both have two separate "types". There are the colonial anemones that obviously split naturally. Then there is a solitary, usually larger, form that has not been shown to split. This means that we may not be able to cut just any BTA or magnifica in half. There may be individuals of each species that don't have the ability to heal from this type of trauma.

I do not have any first hand experience cutting stichodactyla anemones. Just because they don't split naturally in the wild does not mean they can't be split in home aquariums (provided the right environment).

The fact that they don't split naturally tells us that the likelyhood of them being able to heal from such a wound is overwhelmingly slim. If an anemone had this ability, they would be using it to their advantage in the natural environment. Evolution fine tunes animals to posses only those abilities that are essential to their way of life. Anything else would be a waste of resources. Nature is not wasteful. People get confused because they project one anemones abilities on all anemones. E. quadracolor is a completely different animal than S. haddoni. To think that they should have the same abilities simply because they are both anemones, would be like assuming that a hawk could run as fast as an ostridge, or penguins can fly as fast as a hawk, or a cheetah can climb a tree like a leopard, or a bobcat can run as fast as a cheetah...............


Fautin says that the person had a 50% success rate with that particular type of stichodactyla anemone.

That's not what she said. If you start with two anemones and try to propagate them, and end up with two anemones, your success rate is zero. You have propagated nothing. You have accomplished nothing. We also have to keep in mind that she obtained this report from someone in an e-mail, and we are getting it second hand. This is hardly proof that a species of anemone that is not known to split naturally was successfully cut in two resulting in two healthy anemones. We still have absolutely no proof that this is possible, and every reason to believe that it isn't.

Very few inventions and other things would be done if people stopped after two unsuccessful attempts.

This has been attempted far more than twice and we still don't have one documented case where any host species has been cut in two producing two healthy individuals. Other than those that split naturally.



I don't mean to discount what Fautin is saying, but I think more research must be done, especially with anemones that don't produce by division in the wild. Certainly asexual cutting of anemones shouldn't be tried by most people under most circumstances.

I don't think it should be attempted by anyone under any circumstances. If it were possible, we would have documented proof by now. Especially with all the attempts that have been made.
 
If I recall correctly, Anthony Calfo was extremely successful propagating RBTAs by division. There was a huge thread on the subject on the forums over on Marne Depot some time back. I am by no means an expert on the issue, although I certainly wouldn't hesitate to take Anthony Calfo's word on the matter. It has been done successfully many times.
 
I have a tremendous amount of respect for Dr. Fautin and am very grateful for the unparalleled contributions she has made to our understanding of anemones.

With regards to the hobby, it's certainly been proven that E. quadricolor anemones can be successfully propagated via manual division.

H. magnifica have been known to split in captivity. So, there are at least SOME magnificas that would be good candidates for manual propagation.

And with regards to Stichydactyla:
S. tapetum anemones regularly split naturally, and have successfully been manually split...though they don't host clownfish.
S. haddoni anemones have successfully been manually split.

The survival rates on imported anemones is so poor that well informed efforts to aquaculture them are certainly worthwhile.

Cheers,

Mark
 
If I recall correctly, Anthony Calfo was extremely successful propagating RBTAs by division. There was a huge thread on the subject on the forums over on Marne Depot some time back. I am by no means an expert on the issue, although I certainly wouldn't hesitate to take Anthony Calfo's word on the matter. It has been done successfully many times.

No one is disputing the fact that BTA's can be successfully propagated. It's propagating the other 8 species of host anemone, that don't split naturally, that's being disputed.
 
With regards to the hobby, it's certainly been proven that E. quadricolor anemones can be successfully propagated via manual division.

I don't' think Dr. Fautin disputed this fact.

H. magnifica have been known to split in captivity. So, there are at least SOME magnificas that would be good candidates for manual propagation.

There are at least two people that I know of that have cut magnifica's in half and had them survive. I don't think this is being disputed either.

And with regards to Stichydactyla:
S. tapetum anemones regularly split naturally, and have successfully been manually split...though they don't host clownfish.

This to me is the whole point. Tapetum splits naturally, so they should posses the abilities of regeneration strong enough to heal from being cut in two.

S. haddoni anemones have successfully been manually split.

They have been cut in two by several hobbyists. I don't know of any that have survived. Can you provide any proof that the anemone survived this trauma? Haddoni's do not split naturally as a form of reproduction, so we have no reason to believe they could survive such treatment.


The survival rates on imported anemones is so poor that well informed efforts to aquaculture them are certainly worthwhile.

I agree. Especially about the "well informed" portion. That's why I posted the info above. Just because 8 of the 10 host species can not be propagated by fragmentation, doesn't mean we can't breed them. Crispa has been successfully bread in captivity. If we want to reduce pressure on wild populations, sexual reproduction is where we should be concentrating our efforts. This is a means of propagation that actually stands a chance of success.
 
That's not what she said. If you start with two anemones and try to propagate them, and end up with two anemones, your success rate is zero. You have propagated nothing. You have accomplished nothing. We also have to keep in mind that she obtained this report from someone in an e-mail, and we are getting it second hand. This is hardly proof that a species of anemone that is not known to split naturally was successfully cut in two resulting in two healthy anemones. We still have absolutely no proof that this is possible, and every reason to believe that it isn't.

You have had a 50% rate if two halves of one anemone survive. Think about it if you didn't cut the second one. You would have had a 100% rate. If you had a 0% success rate, none of them would survive.

Just because 8 hosting anemones don't split naturally doesn't mean they can't recover from a split. Surely they don't all perish if a rock or something else falls on them and cuts them. I don't see how the species could survive if they didn't have some regenerative abilities.

I am by no means advocating everyone to go out and cut every type of anemone. In fact, I don't think many people should try it. Even with perfect conditions in a dedicated propagation system not all anemones survive after being cut. I don't think that I have seen enough evidence to say that some hosting anemones can't be cut (haddoni in particular).


Maybe sexual reproduction would be more successful. It would certainly be less stressful on the anemones. It is another promising idea.
 
First.... Happy Thanksgiving:beer:


You have had a 50% rate if two halves of one anemone survive. Think about it if you didn't cut the second one. You would have had a 100% rate. If you had a 0% success rate, none of them would survive.

Okay. I guess it depends on how you look at it. If your goal is to propagate anemone, and only half of them survive, you're not propagating anemones. You're just hacking them up.

Just because 8 hosting anemones don't split naturally doesn't mean they can't recover from a split. Surely they don't all perish if a rock or something else falls on them and cuts them. I don't see how the species could survive if they didn't have some regenerative abilities.


We all have some regenerative abilities. If I cut my finger, it heals. If you cut me in half, I die. It's the level of regenerative ability that's important. There are very few animal species that have this ability strong enough to recover from being cut in half. Those that do, use it to their advantage. The fact that these 8 species don't use this ability to their advantage, suggests that they don't posses it. Combine that with the fact that we have no documented cases of this being successful in these species and it becomes pretty obvious that it doesn't work.

I am by no means advocating everyone to go out and cut every type of anemone. In fact, I don't think many people should try it. Even with perfect conditions in a dedicated propagation system not all anemones survive after being cut. I don't think that I have seen enough evidence to say that some hosting anemones can't be cut (haddoni in particular).

It's kinda hard to prove that something can't be done, but it's very easy to prove that it can be. How many haddoni's have to be cut in two and die, before it proves that it can't be done? 50? 100? There will always be someone to say, well the temperature was to high, or the water wasn't clean enough......... We can always make excuses for why it didn't work. All it takes is one successful attempt to prove that it works. To date, despite many many attempts, that one successful case is still illusive.


Maybe sexual reproduction would be more successful. It would certainly be less stressful on the anemones. It is another promising idea.

IMHO, it's our only promising idea. It's the only known form of reproduction in these animals. Trying to get these animals to reproduce in a way that they are not designed to, and that has a very high likelihood of causing the animals death, seems illogical to me. Especially when we know how they reproduce naturally and it doesn't put the animals life in jeopardy.
 
Never mind. I found it. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1470600

What I see is Phil AKA Phender, and Scott AKA Traveler 7, two very experienced anemone keepers, warning of the problems associated with such an attempt.

Your photos show an anemone cut in half and another photo that doesn't show the mouth or area that had been cut. We don't even know how much time had passed between photos. I'm not sure what that should prove.

Even if by some miracle we found one of these anemones that did survive, could we then say that cutting them is a viable means of propagation? No. We would still be in a huge deficit. How many of these anemones have died because of this myth? We would have to successfully frag a whole bunch of anemones just to break even.
 
No. I don't remember. At least not from that one post. Can you link the thread so I can read it and see what happened?

Here is the whole thread (( in the upper right hand corner it had a link to the whole thread ))
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13362166#post13362166

But, nothing is said about if it is still alive or not.


And that is the thing, given how long anemones live, I wouldn't consider a cutting a success unless both halves lives for a year or two.
 
This is an ineresting topic and I hope more people who have attempted to manually divide anemones other than E. quadricolor chime in.
 
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But, nothing is said about if it is still alive or not.

Hey Todd :wavehand:... thought I just said that above.:) That anemone was manually divided on 4/9/08. Both halves healed up and are doing well. Another four months and we'll get to the two year point. Could have sworn I posted updated photos somewhere... too many discussions on too many boards.

Elegance coral: You can choose to believe what you want. But you're doing so based on conjecture while I, and others (including Anthony Calfo), are stating things based on experience.

As another example, to my knowledge the larger "maxi mini" anemones, reported to be S. tapetum, have never naturally split in captivity. Yet there are several people who routinely manually propagate them.

Regardless, it sounds like you're more interested in pontificating than having an earnest discussion about propagating anemones... so, I'll leave you to it.

Happy Thanksgiving.

P.S. Found a couple pictures I'd posted of the two anemones at the seven month point showing the column healed up:

haddoni_7mos.jpg

haddoni.jpg


Cheers,

Mark
 
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Elegance coral: You can choose to believe what you want. But you're doing so based on conjecture while I, and others (including Anthony Calfo), are stating things based on experience.

You, and others (including Anthony Calfo) are making hollow claims of grandeur. Now that your claims are being called into question, you get defensive. Why? If I had discovered a way to propagate an animal that had not been previously propagated in captivity, I would expect people to ask for proof, and provide it. Especially when the methods being used have a high likelyhood of causing the death of the animal. If this is as easy and productive as people like Anthony Calfo suggests it is, why not provide the proof? Why get upset when someone asks for proof? Expecting people to believe the claims being made by someone simply because they said it, doesn't make sense. Especially when evidence contradicting the claims being made continues to accumulate. Who would believe in a scientist that claims to have found the cure for cancer, but is unwilling, or unable to provide proof?

Regardless, it sounds like you're more interested in pontificating than having an earnest discussion about propagating anemones... so, I'll leave you to it.

I am interested in having a discussion about propagating anemones. I'm just not prepared to jump on the bandwagon of a procedure that repeatedly results in the death of the anemone and that doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny or simple logic.



P.S. Found a couple pictures I'd posted of the two anemones at the seven month point showing the column healed up:

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with these photos. The first photo you posted, shows a haddoni that had been cut in two. The second photo did not show the mouths or area that had been cut. This does not show that the anemone is healing. Then I posted this.
"Your photos show an anemone cut in half and another photo that doesn't show the mouth or area that had been cut.... I'm not sure what that should prove."
After that, you posted two more photos that do not show the animals mouth or any signs of a healing wound. I'm not sure how we can draw the conclusion from those photos that the anemone has healed and is now living happily ever after. We've seen no signs of healing. Just an anemone that's trying to conceal a wound.

Regardless of all that. Even if one out of 25, 50, or 100 survive, it's still a far cry from anything we could call propagation. This procedure, in these 8 species, is producing a slaughter. Not propagation.
 
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You, and others (including Anthony Calfo) are making hollow claims of grandeur.

You seem to have trouble understanding things you read. What "hollow claims of grandeur" have I made?

You stated:

...we still don't have one documented case where any host species has been cut in two producing two healthy individuals.

...All it takes is one successful attempt to prove that it works. To date, despite many many attempts, that one successful case is still illusive.

I simply pointed out that I successfully manually propagated a S. haddoni anemone more than a year and a half ago and posted information about it in a thread you participated in.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with these photos.

Honestly, I'm not trying to prove anything, certainly not to you. You just happen to be wrong. And, rather than accept that, you've chosen to attack my integrity (that's ok, I'm pretty comfortable with my reputation here) and to shift your argument: "It only takes one... oops, there is one, gee, well that's not important, what I mean is...". Sure, whatever.

I can't tell if you truly don't understand the nuances of what Dr. Fautin wrote, or if you're just being disingenuous and trying to twist what she's said to show support for the very different claims you are making?

Did you notice the many phrases she used throughout her note: "It appears that...", "most species do not", "that may be", "it seems that", "there may be", "may die"? She is a consummate scientist, providing information and opinion based on her experiences and the information available to her, without a hint of dogmatism. I suspect that she would find additional information about the manual division and healing of these anemones very interesting, even if she finds the idea of manually propagating them distasteful.

The ironic thing is, if you'd stop making the demonstrably false claim that no S. haddoni anemone has been successfully manually propagated, you'd probably find we agree on more things than not. I don't often publicly talk about manually propagating anemones because it's not something I think should be done casually, or at all by most people.

That said, I don't think there are a whole bunch of people out there cutting up carpet anemones. If your intent is to help "save" carpet anemones, your efforts would probably be better spent trying to figure out why they seem to ship so poorly. Either that, or lobby to ban their importation.... but, that's not something I would support.

One more set of pictures from earlier today:

This lightened areas that appear to be on the anemone are actually the reflection of the bucket above it to the left.
haddoni_location.jpg


The fully healed column:
haddoni_column.jpg


And the one you've been waiting for, the mouth:
haddoni_mouth.jpg


Finally, the other one:
haddoni2.jpg


So, while you may continue to think this is some elaborate ruse I concocted over a year ago, I suspect most people will realize how absurd that contention is.

Cheers,

Mark
 
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I wasn't saying that you concocted some elaborate ruse, nor did I try to attack your integrity. I was simply asking for proof. We have all the claims of this being successful that we could possibly ask for. Just go to Anthony Calfo's forum, and you can read all the unsubstantiated claims you like. What we're in need of is proof.

Your last set of photos is pretty convincing. If we say we have one substantiated case, where does that put us? Does that mean my argument has changed? Does it mean that haddoni and the other 7 host species have the same powers of regeneration as quadracolor and magnifica? Does it mean the fragmentation of these 8 species is now a viable means of propagation? Is this something that should only be attempted by "expert" hobbyists, so that anyone wishing to prove their abilities should rush out and cut a haddoni in half?
 
...Your last set of photos is pretty convincing. If we say we have one substantiated case, where does that put us? Does that mean my argument has changed?
Which argument?;):)

Does it mean that haddoni and the other 7 host species have the same powers of regeneration as quadracolor and magnifica?
The only hosting anemones I have a fair amount of experience with are E. quadricolor and S. haddoni so my comments are limited to them.

Healthy E. quadricolor anemones have quite amazing regenerative abilities. They typically heal from bilateral division in a matter of weeks. As far too many hobbyists have proven, they also will quite often heal from very traumatic encounters with powerheads.

Healthy S. haddoni anemones, on the other hand, while obviously capable of healing from bilateral division, take months (6 or 7) to do so.

Does it mean the fragmentation of these 8 species is now a viable means of propagation?
Clearly, manual propagation of E. quadricolor anemones is viable and arguably desirable.

Aquaculture propagation viability depends upon doubling times, i.e. how long does it take to double the mass of the "item" being produced. Even assuming no losses, since S. haddoni anemones take several months to heal, let alone grow back to the size of the original, it's hard to make the case that bilateral division is a commercially viable method of propagating them.

Is this something that should only be attempted by "expert" hobbyists, so that anyone wishing to prove their abilities should rush out and cut a haddoni in half?
Is this a serious question?

I encourage anyone who has an anemone or is considering getting one to learn everything they can about them so they are better prepared to meet the unique needs of these animals. There are very simple things --covering powerheads with foam filters-- that can greatly increase ones chances of keeping them successfully.

I do not think propagating anemones is akin to snipping off branches of corals and gluing them to frag discs. I cringe at the thought of someone pulling an anemone from a display tank and cutting it in half as a means to "prune" it because it had grown too large.

But, we still have a lot to learn about these animals and there's a place for well informed individuals, with adequate dedicated resources, and carefully considered objectives, to do the type of investigations that will help move our understanding of these animals forward. The current levels of losses of these animals at every point, from collection, to distributors, to LFSs, to hobbyists, is untenable and unconscionable. There has to be a better way... and I'm going to continue to try to find it.

Cheers,

Mark
 
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