Pumbs (Eletronic and Stream). 50 Hz or 60 Hz.

[fernando]

Hi, ... I am well with a small problem. I bought 2 Turbelle Stream 6100 and 6000.

He happens that the idiot here, did not confer transforming the that round part that has the following specification:

tunze GmbH
Art. 7210.202.
230v/12v/20va

These streams, for the description, operate in both configurations (50Hz and 60Hz), what I imagine must be supplied by the transforming one.
Now, what I make? I do not understand nothing of electric electronics.

Which the risks and deficiencies of this difference of configuration.

To another bomb that I have it is the Turbelle Eletronic 7240.

I imagine that she is the predecessor of the 7400. Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s correct?


That it operates in the same way, with the contralador of speed (Speed controllable by to driver or externally by Singlecontroller, Multicontroller.) and the transforming one.

Also it came in 230v and 50 the configuration of Hz. In a site it does not have available information on its correct configuration, or either, if it also works with 230/5-0Hz and with 115/60Hz. .

Sorry, My English is very bad.
Thanks.
Fernando
www.mardecoral.com.br/yemanja
fernando@mardecoral.com.br

 

[rvitko]

Fernando, the 7240/2 is the part number of the motor of all electronic pumps, the difference is the transformer. The pump can work on any Hz pattern but I would be careful if using the 7410.602 transformer for 50Hz on 60Hz. The 60Hz transformer is 19V because 60Hz has more power when it is switched to DC inside the driver, the total power equals the surface are of the wave and so 60Hz has more power than 50Hz. On the smaller transformers the result is a more powerful pump but on the bigger 7400/2 you use 45W when it is correctly sized but if we use the 50Hz transformer for 60Hz you may use 50+W and the limit is 65 so if the pump gets dirty it is closer to its limit and could be broken. I am not sure what the power in Brazil is, I would think it is 230/ 50Hz near the Southern cone and likely 115V 60Hz in the Amazonas regions.

Basically you need to have the right voltage for sure. The pumps will run if the Hz are wrong but if the Hz is more than the rating you have to be careful because the pump is closer to the limit.

Don't worry about your English, I speak a fair amount of Spanish and so do a couple people at the factory but no one speaks Portugese. If you can use Spanish better we can help you too.

I just reread your email and your pump is a 7200/2 since the transformer is 7210.202. I would not worry about the Hz, only the Volts have to be correct. The controllers are fine as long as the pump has the correct power.

 

[fernando]

Thanks Roger for its reply.
In the South of Brazil the standard is 115v/60 Hz. In my installations I have as 115v, as 230v (110v/220v), Probably all 60Hz. I imagine
Some people I had spoken to me that all (110/220) would be of 50Hz.
I go to certify itself on this.
Any thing return with more doubts.

On the Turbelle Eletronic, it was sale separately, was of a kit Tunze. The only indication that I have of it is this numeration 7240, for the specifications of the site of the Tunze and the printed in the head of the bomb, the one who more comes close itself is the 7400/2. Therefore the question.
Regards.
Fernando

 

[rvitko]

Based on the transformer it is 7200/2. You will need to connect the transformer to a step up transformer that converts 115V into 230V and it will be fine. Otherwise you can get part 7210.202A and this will have a US plug and use 115V 60Hz. I have these in stock and I know both Premium Aquatics and Marine Depot ship to Brazil. I also know Adolfo Schwartz at Peixoto (International Fisheries) and can likely send it to the US office and he could get it to you.

 

[fernando]

Hi, Roger
The electric frequency in Brazil (South) is 60Hz.
Debtor for its disposal in obtaining transformador.
I'm glad for have solution for my problem.
As it said, I have 2 Stream (6000 and 6100) and 1 Turbelle Eletronic. As I am not in my city, then that to return (18/11) I will catch all the specifications that I have and I request its evaluation of mine kit and the solutions.
I probably have an address in Miami that you could order the equipment that will be necessary.
I go to confirm this.
Again I thank our attention.
Regards.
Fernando

 

[fernando]

Hi, Roger,
I am here of new requesting its opinion.
The configuration of my set of equipment:
1 Multicontroller - 7094
2 Drivers - 7240,26 1 Driver 7240,27
2 transformes 7210,202 (230v)
1 transforme7210.202A (115v)

1 Pump Turbelle Stream -
Indication technique in the head of bomb
6100,10 - max. 20v, max. 45w - 12000 l/h. 2- l/min.
(connected 1 Driver 7240.26)

1 Bomb Turbelle Stream -
Indication technique in the head of bomb 6100,10 - Input 12-20v, 15-45w, output 2500-12000 l/h.
(connected 1 Driver 7240.27)

1Bomba Turbelle Eletronic - Indication technique in the head of bomb 7240/2, 8- 24v, 6 - 44 w, 8,3 - 66,7 l/min, Hmax 0,8 - 2,8m (conected 1 Driver 7240.26)

Well, if I understood , all transforming the 7210,202 are compatible with my equipment and can work in both the frequencies (60Hz and 50Hz). Only necessary to worry about tension 115v and 230v. As I have both the tensions in my installations not necessary of none another additional equipment. He is correct?

And the transformers, which the differences between 7240,27 and 7240.26? The way that they are connected with pumps is correct?

On the Turbelles Stream. Although indication 6100,10 consists in the top, in the reality, with the transforming ones that I have they is 6000 or is 6100?
I ask because imagined that the Eletronica would be 7400 for the indications printed in the head of the bomb and, for that understood, what it determines its classification is the transforming one.

It forgives the amount of questions, but that I try to understand better to configure my system and to adapt me with the codes adotaso for the Tunze (first time that I bought these equipment).

Thanks.
Fernando

 

[rvitko]

The 7240.27 is the new driver, it has a new program called fish care which if you use tide mode or the foodtimer will turn the pump once every 20 seconds when it is off, this scares the fish away from entering the pump. The Streams are 6000, the pumps and drivers are the same only the transformer is different for a 6100. The motor has part 6100.10 for both pumps. The Turbelle Electronic is a 7200/2. All are compatible with your controller and each other.

 

[fernando]

Thanks Roger.