QT - do we prophetically treat for Brook?

[Pokerman11]

In my QT I treat new fish with cupramine and two series of prazipro.

What I'm not sure of is brook. I've only dipped formalin on infected fish, not sure what's the best way to prophetically treat or if necessary.

 

[Spar]

From what I have seen/read over the years, Brook just isn't common enough to warrant the more severe treatment options that are required for Brook. FW Dips and Formalin, and/or a combo of the two, are the primary (if not only) solutions, both of which can be quite stressful. If Brook is caught early on, it is very treatable. Hence recommending to keep fish in a QT tank for long enough to notice the signs of Brook.

 

[Deinonych]

+1 to what Cliff stated above. Crypto and flukes seem to be the most common ailments, so treating proactively for those, followed by a 30 day observation period (to ensure brooklynella and amlyoodinium are not present), should provide adequate peace of mind.

 

[snorvich]

+1 to what Cliff stated above. Crypto and flukes seem to be the most common ailments, so treating proactively for those, followed by a 30 day observation period (to ensure brooklynella and amlyoodinium are not present), should provide adequate peace of mind.

I agree. Either brooklynella or amlyoodinium will present visible symptoms within 3 weeks assuming you do not run copper.

 

[Pokerman11]

Having experienced a tank crash from brook earlier this year, I guess I'm sensitive.

W cupramine running will brook be noticeable in a 4-6 week QT period?

 

[DasCamel]

Having experienced a tank crash from brook earlier this year, I guess I'm sensitive.

W cupramine running will brook be noticeable in a 4-6 week QT period?

I would observe for Brook without copper present for 30 days. Copper suppresses Brook, doesn't get rid of it.

I wouldn't treat fish with Formalin just because. If they do have Brook, one dip probably wouldn't do a thing, it'll take a series along with tank transfers. The treatment itself can and will kill fish.

 

[Pokerman11]

I would observe for Brook without copper present for 30 days. Copper suppresses Brook, doesn't get rid of it.

I wouldn't treat fish with Formalin just because. If they do have Brook, one dip probably wouldn't do a thing, it'll take a series along with tank transfers. The treatment itself can and will kill fish.

This is where I'm confused because I plan on running Cupramie and that is buffered active copper in my QT. I can see brook getting masked in the 6 week QT treatment.

 

[snorvich]

I would observe for Brook without copper present for 30 days. Copper suppresses Brook, doesn't get rid of it.

I wouldn't treat fish with Formalin just because. If they do have Brook, one dip probably wouldn't do a thing, it'll take a series along with tank transfers. The treatment itself can and will kill fish.

Correct in both regards. Copper suppresses brook, velvet, and some say, ich. That is one reason I use tank transfer to eliminate ich as a possibility and observe for a minimum of three weeks after TT for the remainder. I do not believe in using any chemicals prophylactically.

 

[Sparky0028]

Can someone explain the correct procedure to treat brooklynella or amlyoodinium. I've search and read but just haven't come across the exact way of treating for either of these. I have my last survive in Qt and did a fw dip, now what?
Thanks
Rich

 

[Spar]

Can someone explain the correct procedure to treat brooklynella or amlyoodinium. I've search and read but just haven't come across the exact way of treating for either of these. I have my last survive in Qt and did a fw dip, now what?
Thanks
Rich

Have you seen this post yet?
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388437

 

[Sparky0028]

Yes, I get the qt part but confused on when its states to continue treatment for 1,2,3,5.. days. Is this fw dips?

 

[Spar]

for either fw dips or formalin dips. it is saying you need to do this many times to be effective, meaning pulling them out of the tank and the lot. another reason why doing it prophetically is a bit excessive. i wouldn't expect to have near 100% success rate in treating.

 

[snorvich]

amlyoodinium can be treated several ways, the best according to the literature is probably CP (as the sticky indicates). Fallow period for velvet (amlyoodinium) is six weeks.

 

[HPark]

Snorvich: so, you do not dose prazi automatically, correct? Just observe to see if the fish is exhibiting fluke-like symptoms? (sorry for hijacking thread)

 

[CoralsAddiction]

QT - do we prophetically treat for Brook?

Based on VividAquariums recommendation Seachem Paraguard can be used to treat brooklynella...perhaps even preventatively. I've never used it so can't offer any advice as to product effectiveness.

 

[snorvich]

Snorvich: so, you do not dose prazi automatically, correct? Just observe to see if the fish is exhibiting fluke-like symptoms? (sorry for hijacking thread)

Yes, Prazi is dosed twice automatically for all new fish.

 

[snorvich]

Based on VividAquariums recommendation Seachem Paraguard can be used to treat brooklynella...perhaps even preventatively. I've never used it so can't offer any advice as to product effectiveness.

I am opposed to treating any fish chemically prophylactically except for Prazi. Any treatment is always based on symptoms.

 

[DasCamel]

Can someone explain the correct procedure to treat brooklynella or amlyoodinium. I've search and read but just haven't come across the exact way of treating for either of these. I have my last survive in Qt and did a fw dip, now what?
Thanks
Rich

Treating Brook is a giant PITA. Just observe for 3+ w/o chemicals and your good. Now if you do manage to get Brook, then worry about tx. I lost 4 fish out of 11 during tx. Very labor/resource intensive treating all your fish. Learned the hard way, don't even add a drop of water from an infected tank. Anenome and corals did me in from Petco....

 

[Sparky0028]

Thanks everyone for your replies. Lost my 12 year old female clown this morning.
I'm not sure if it was Velvet or brook but whatever it was it wipe out my tank.
All that's left are two Magnificent anemones and a Brittle star. I've read that raising the temp can speed up the fallow period, is this true?

Rich

 

[Spar]

sorry man. wow, 12 years old!