QT tank requirements and medications

kvosstra

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Hi all, - (sorry for the long post)

I have recently upgraded from my 40g to 180 gallons SPS dominant tank and I want to add a number of fish over the next 2-3 months. The large tank was set up from an established 90 gallon from a friend and there are 5 fish in the tank - all disease free, 3 beautiful leopard wrasse, mandarin goby and an adult chevron tang. There is a 40g refugium and 40 gallon sump - all fish are fat and happy.

In the past I have also had a 150g SPS reef which was taken down beause I moved - and I treated some diseased fish with copper - but the fish died either from the copper treatment or insufficient water changes (ammonia).

So, Now that I have the space to do this correctly, using either the 90 gallon tank or the spare 40 gallon tank for my QT- I would like to treat my fish. So what copper should I use - what test kit is the best? Can I use amquel to detoxify the ammonia, or do I need to do constant water changes? Should I use an extra skimmer I have lying around - powerheads in the tank - bubble filter with bacteria (I have a few sponges I could use) - etc. What's the best way to set this up to reduce morbidity and mortality of my fish?

What about for bacterial infections? Is one of the treatments better than others? Should I treat for bacterial infections at the beginning, or only if they are appearant on the fish?

I will likely be treating a school of anthias (3-5 lyretail's). then Some small pairs of goby's, dartfish, firefish - I would like to treat these at the same time. I would then like to add 2-3 more reef safe wrasses - flashers or something like a lineatus, or rhombis wrasse, then finally a larger more aggressive fish like a powder blue tang.

So, finally - should I treat all fish> (I assume yes), I will try to do this in the order of less aggressive to more aggressive - so maybe the goby's first.

Finally, any links to some extended reading would be appreciated, so that I can be better informed as to the current "best practices" and materials out there - since it has been a few years since I have introduced any new fish to my tanks and I know that there are many new products which claim to be "cure all" etc. Obviously, I will not treat the display - so no need for anything that is "reef safe."

Thanks - I appreaciate any and all information. I have kept and successfully maintained SPS and aquaria for a number of years, I have also treated fish, but with little success - But, now I would like to do this correctly, since I have the space and the patience to actually QT my fish - instead of just dropping them into the tank.

-Kyle
 
Meds
Cupramine copper - less toxic, tolerated by copper sensitive fish, wide range of effectiveness ( 0.2-0.8 ppm.)
Prazipro - Flukes and internal parasites (I treat all fish for flukes as I have seen too many of these guys in the last few years.)
Maracyn II - Bacterial infections
I've used all three together with no ill affects. DO NOT USE ANY Amquel if you use Cupramine. It will kill your fish.

Tank - bigger the better, but only as big as you can handle doing a decent % water change. Lots of PVC pipes for fish to hide in. Personally I always keep one or two QT's going all the time. For difficult dwarf angels I always keep one going to get a good growth of algae on glass and PVC. A good cover on your tank, wrassed can jump through the smallest holes.

Filtration - Established biofilter/sponge/etc., powerheads for circulation. Skimmers always good, but if you use Cupramine just keep a closer eye on the copper level.

Some good reading: http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/treatments.html
 
So, should I set up the QT tank for the next week or so - and let it get started with algae, etc?

-Kyle
 
Don't worry about the algae if you don't have fish that require it. Get it setup and seed some biofilter in your main tank so you can move it to the QT when the fish arrive.
 
are there any specific brands of the medications you listed above? Or will any one do?
Cupramine copper -
Prazipro -
Maracyn II

I also have 2 - 36W UV sterilizers - should I use these on my QT tank? Should I use them in place of the copper treatment for ICH eradication?

Thanks

-Kyle
 
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Those 3 listed are brands.

I wouldn't bother with the UV's. UV's are only good in multiple tank system in which you are trying to keep the ich from spreading from one tank to another. They are not affective at getting rid of ich in a single tank.

Also, some medications are broken down by UV's.
 
Thanks - I cant seem to find the dose/time for the Maracyn two - I plan to have 40 gallons of water - so I think I need 4 packets a day. How many days of treatment do I do for each of the antibiotics?

I assume I do 14 days for copper and 5-7 days for the parzipro and Maracyn two. Is that correct?

-Kyle
 
Largeangels I use exactly the same meds only I use Maracyn and maracyn 11 at the same time with the cupramine. I also use prazipro but all by itself as I called The 800 nbr on the bottle and was told not to use with any other meds. You said you use all at the same time which would be alot better. I just want to make sure that is what you have been doing, if so that is what I well start doing as it well save alot of time. Just want to make sure. thanks John
 
Kvosstra The time is 5 days minimum.

Largeangels Also do you boost any on the prazipro?, like a quarter tspn per 20 gals each day or do you just dose the 1 tspn per 20 gals for 5-7 days. The reason I ask is I have a pwdr blue in quaratine that keeps scratching, not near as bad as when I got him but I had him in copper for 2 weeks and have never seen any ich on him and before that I used prazipro at 1 tspn per 20 gals for 7 days for 2 treatments and he still seems to be scratching every now and then. John
 
Mixing meds can be dangerous so unless you know it works combined the best thing is to not mix. I have used the three mixed numerous times with no issues. I use the exact dosage as listed on the meds. No more, no less.
 
Don't mix UV and Cupramine. I did that and almost killed all my fish and that copper was only at 1/2 dose. UV will break down Cupramine into a more toxic form of copper.

Also dont mix Amquel with Cupramine. Will kill your fish in a few hours with this mix.
 
thanks all - I set up the tank last night - no Amquel even in the house and the UV lamps are safely put away and not near the tank. I am hoping to have some fish on Sunday. Hopefully free from all parasites even before they hit the QT tank!

-Kyle
 
LargeAngels,question,

As you use cupramine,are you using the copper test kit made by Seachem for copper testing?
 
discusone: Yes, I use their test kit now. For a couple of years they had problems with their test kit, but they went back to a previous version and that has been working.
 
I'm picking up some fish this evening. I am still confused on one issue through -

With the cupramine - I should test the concentration every day and add or dilute accordingly?

With the prazipro and macaryn two - do I add the normal dose everyday? Or is there something else I need to do. Since I cant test for these, how do I deal with the water changes - do I add a bit more because of dilution (probably not) - Or, I assume that the antibiotic actually breaks down and I just do a full dose after my water change - Is this correct?

Should I begin dosing tonight after I have acclimated the fish - or Should I wait a day or two?

Thank you for all the help. Tank is happily set up - I have 2 biological filters one sponge and the other is a pile of bio balls that I put into the main display a few weeks ago - both should be functional, although I still worry about Ammonia. The skimmer is ready to help with removal of some of the junk I hope.

-Kyle
 
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Check copper levels daily and add accordingly.

Maracyn II is a 5 day treatment and Prazipro is 5-7 day treatment. I don't do any water changes during this period. That is why I use established biological filtration. If you do change water then redose per how many gallons of new water you put in.

I don't treat with Maracyn II unless I see an issue. Cupramine and Prazipro I treat right away as preventative (seen too many fish eventually getting ich, velvet or flukes in QT.) Many may not agree and that is fine.
 
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