Quantum Meter

gflat65

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We got the quantum meter and I've been playing with it. It gives Photosynthetic Photon Flux (micro mol/s*m^2). I got some interesting numbers under the different lighting set ups. Measurements were taken just below water level (with the slightest bit of water filming over the sensor-proximity to light makes a huge difference- and ~6" below water level-hand balanced;)).

125-(3)-250W DE 14K Phoenix with dirty sheilds~3 months old
Left to right
PFO pendant and ballast/Aquamedic pendant and ballast/PFO pendant and ballast
790/1350/985
470/690/490
VHO's by themselves (URI) ~ 12 months old-passed due on replacements
45
45

120-(2)-175W Ushio 14K's (run on cheapo electronic ballast from ebay that runs two bulbs...) ~3 months old
395/390
225/210

7.5 frag tank-(2)-65W PC's (Odyssea 50/50 and Odyssea Actinic 03) taken from middle area of lighting fixture ~1 month old
135
87

10 gallon 'work' tank (2)-screw in 20W Coralife 50/50 PC's ~6 months old
96
60 (hard to believe these as I don't think most things are getting enough light)

Jenn's 20L (2)-75W VHO's ~12 months old
105
80

20L 'QT'-175W XM 15K ~ 4 months old
100
50

The DE numbers were alot higher than I expected. The 15K XM seems almost worthless in output... A few notes in this thing. It jumps around alot, so in many case, you have to extrapolate a number. It needs a fixture that can hold it completely level and steady and my hand just doesn't work for that, esp. in current. I'd like to play with it for a few more days to a week, then I think Jack (crumpletop) is next. I guess we shoudl start a list. This thing was not cheap, so we want to make sure it gets taken care of;).
 
Interesting numbers. Seems like there is a lot of variability even within similar watt bulbs. The XM 15K's definitely seem to be the big surprise to me.

As far as the line, I'd like to be put on it, but I want to get the lighting set-up in my 92 bow before I get it... I guess I can consider that motivation.
 
Really cool! Are all your phoenix's the same age? It looks like you have the same combo on the L and R of the 125, but the numbers are fairly different. Yep, I'm next in line :D
 
Hey Gary
I wouldn't write off XM-15K entirely. Could be a weak ballast or something. I have the same 250-DE Aquamedic pendant as you with an XM-15K bulb if you want to drop by & test it. Then we would know how it compares to to your Phoenix 14K.
 
The Phoenix's are all the same age, so i thought it was interesting that there was that much of a difference. The PFO HQi that runs the two on the left and right is one large unit (two ballasts), so there must be some kind of difference in the ballasts... The pendants were bought at the same time from hellolights, new, so they should be pretty much the same... The numbers jump around alot, too, though, but the ranges were roughly the same as the numbers in terms of the range of differences. A mount for the sensor would help reduce the operator errors... I am trying to think of somethign that would work for a range of tanks, but nothing is coming to mind. Something that will allow you to slide the sensor in all three dimensions without blocking light to the sensor is what we need. I need to check the old thread because it seems like Brandon from Chattanooga had a fixture or something for theirs.

Lindsey-not sure on VHO's with white bulbs. I'm running two URI actinic 03's on an Ice Cap 440. I would expect a combination of bulbs to have better output. I was surpirsed by the Odyssea PC bulbs. To be so cheap ($15-16 a piece), they seem to pull their weight (not to mention they seem to give better color than other PC's I've seen).

Chris-The XM 15K is the one with the least amount of reflector. It has a piece of that stainless steel that you gve me before you moved with two ends broken slightly to help reflect. I should have broken a few more lines into it to make it extend around the bulb before I put it on the tank. Sanjay's data shows the 175W XM 15K as one of the lower par bulbs, so that was kinda supported. Most DE's I've seen push some serious light, so it would be interesting to see how much you gain by going from a 175W SE to a 250W DE.

What I found interesting is that the numbers change so much above water with very little change in distance from the light... How do the numbers Sanjay gives relate to PPF (Sanjay gives PFFD)? How does PPF relate to PAR?
 
So far I have

Jack
Brian
Steve
Mike
Wayne
Lindsey
Chris S
and Chris C (we still have over 5 Chris' in the club;)).

The club did buy this, so feel free to put your name on the list if your a member:). It was nearly $300, so we want to make sure it is treated well.
 
Put me down for a run or you can bring it when we plumb the 180 if your still in for that.
Also ive been researching bulbs for my new setup & havent heard any good reviews on the xm bulbs. Not trying to knock anyone so dont get mad.
 
Solaris is coming out with a new 400w light in april. I will be one of the very first people to own this light. I do not know how to use one of these, but would love to have this test preformed so i can compare. is anyone intrested in swinging by and doing this test when the light comes in?
 
If we do find some sort of fixture to hold the meter at consistant depths one of you computer savy folks should make a chart of some sort to compare the results from different tanks.
 
I know we do a road trip to everyone's house with the meter and a few cases of bear and get the readings for everyone's light then we can compare all the results.:beer:
 
I would like to be on the list as well. You can't use "Chris C" though as "C" is the initial in my last name as well. ;)
 
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