Quarantining DD Fish

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Unquestionably. Two weeks of observation and preventative dips is NOT a quarantine method, despite how they advertise it.

Two weeks of copper and Formalin is not nearly enough to guarantee a disease-free fish. With that said, I'll be the first to recognise that it's a practical impossibility for a retailer to truly quarantine all of the livestock they offer for sale. I don't expect them to; ensuring a disease-free aquarium should ultimately be the responsibility of the aquarist.

I'm a huge fan of Diver's Den; I think they take precisely the right approach to online retailing and they seem to have some of the best retail husbandry around...but I don't like their definition of "quarantine."

I believe Diver's Den offers some of the healthiest fish available over the 'net, packed and shipped as well as one could ask. If I were buying fish online, they'd be the first vender I would go to...but their fish would still get a full 90-day quarantine from me.
 
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AquaticFins said:
Unquestionably. Two weeks of observation and preventative dips is NOT a quarantine method, despite how they advertise it.

Two weeks of copper and Formalin is not nearly enough to guarantee a disease-free fish. With that said, I'll be the first to recognise that it's a practical impossibility for a retailer to truly quarantine all of the livestock they offer for sale. I don't expect them to; ensuring a disease-free aquarium should ultimately be the responsibility of the aquarist.

I'm a huge fan of Diver's Den; I think they take precisely the right approach to online retailing and they seem to have some of the best retail husbandry around...but I don't like their definition of "quarantine."

I believe Diver's Den offers some of the healthiest fish available over the 'net, packed and shipped as well as one could ask. If I were buying fish online, they'd be the first vender I would go to...but their fish would still get a full 90-day quarantine from me.
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What is your QT method?
 
TheFishTeen said:
I will not discuss. I'm sorry this isn't working out, I am not being clear.
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If you are going to give advice involving another vendor and will not disclose what vendor you do work for, that is a potential conflict of interest. Either disclose the vendor you do work for or do not give advice involving other vendors. Am *I* being clear?
 
snorvich said:
If you are going to give advice involving another vendor and will not disclose what vendor you do work for, that is a potential conflict of interest. Either disclose the vendor you do work for or do not give advice involving other vendors. Am *I* being clear?
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Please send me a PM. I do not want to cause any problems.
 
LiveAquaria (I work for them, as noted!) - ALWAYS recommends a Quarantine procedure for all aquatic life, coming from us, or anybody. We stress this on all product pages through our website. Director Kevin Kohen also wrote a nice blog post about why it is about more than just disease prevention here:
http://www.dfs-pet-blog.com/2009/08/quarantine-aquariums-more-than-just-disease-prevention/ We also have a detailed article about Quarantine Tanks here: http://www.liveaquaria.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=205

You can view our Diver's Den Quarantine procedures here: http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/general.cfm?general_pagesid=425 , as well as watch videos of our our Diver's Den facility in Rhinelander, WI functions here: http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/general.cfm?general_pagesid=377

Thanks everybody for the kind comments. Good luck with future purchases!
 
So I think the consensus is that DD provides a high quality fish that is eating and has passed the sight test. In effect, they have weeded out most of the fish that die relative soon after delivery and those that appear unhealthy or show signs of disease, so the purchaser is starting with a fish that should survive. While they are observing the fish for problems that include parasites and flukes, they are not treating for such diseases unless seen and are not holding the fish in isolation for a long enough period to ensure a fish doesn't have such diseases.

Thus, it is up to the purchaser to take whatever further measures he or she considers appropriate, whether it be observation for 2 weeks or longer or prophylactic treatment with PraziPro or Cupramine. I just wanted to make sure not to needlessly treat a fish from DD with PraziPro or Cupramine if they already were doing it.
 
when you bashed liveaquaria and then lied about your affiliations on a public website it became anyone's conversation
 
If I may somewhat go off topic, I have a question about a specific item raised here.

"Open wounds on fish are treated and healed with a special topical treatment"

What is recommended for topical treatment of open wounds?
I have a wrasse with a torn lip and am considering a topical treatment but am wondering what to use...
 
TheFishTeen said:
Divers Den fish have a premium price because they are pre-quarantined, but I find it kinda pointless. Most likely, they will get Ick or another disease because of the shipping stress to your home.

If it were me, I would QT DD fish.
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WI reefer55 said:
he did not bash live aquaria at all just said he would Qt the fish.
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Saying that they that will most likely get "Ick or another disease" sure sounds like bashing to me.
 
prop-frags said:
If I may somewhat go off topic, I have a question about a specific item raised here.

"Open wounds on fish are treated and healed with a special topical treatment"

What is recommended for topical treatment of open wounds?
I have a wrasse with a torn lip and am considering a topical treatment but am wondering what to use...
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Bio-Bandage. i emailed LA about this growth(looks kinda like a mouth ulcer) i had on the mouth of my blueface and they suggested that. prior to that i tried formalin, paraguard, and maracyn2, which all didnt work. for a while there i thought the BF was going to die as it quit eating for over 2 weeks.
 
I would also like to hear a little about 'topical treatment', this interests me.


Also, the way I read TheFishTeen's comment is he was only saying to protect yourself, disease can happen when stress is introduced (shipping) and we all know a stressed fish can be a little bit more susceptable to disease/parasitic infestation than a non-stressed fish. In no way do I see him relating that to any vendor in particular, only to the shipping of a fish causing stress. I believe TheFishTeen did not and did not mean to 'bash' DD in any way. Sometimes, its hard to express true feelings and sentiments over the internet, especially in this day and age of text messages and tweets, etc. without an elongated explination.

Having said that, I dont know TheFishTeen and have never conversed with him at all. This is just my take on the comments here.
 
I did a research on Bio-Bandage and it is sorta similar to Neosporin. It actually contains some of the same main ingredients(neomycin) in Neosporin and is effective against gram positive and negative bacteria. It also contains methylyene blue, Vitamin B12, and some kind of polymer.

I took this blueface out of water and quickly swabbed it with the Biobandage 2-3x/day for a few days. It is almost completely healed now and eating like a champ again.

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WI reefer55 said:
he did not bash live aquaria at all just said he would Qt the fish.
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It is very simple. An employee of a competing vendor, unidentified as such, has an inherent obligation not to comment on any vendor as it is an inherent conflict of interest.
 
WI reefer55 said:
its not your just sensitive
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Any comment by that poster would be inappropriate as I indicated previously because he works for a vendor. Your Ad hominem remarks towards another user is in violation of the user agreement. Are you sure you really want to go down that road?
 
WI reefer55 said:
its not your just sensitive
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snorvich said:
Any comment by that poster would be inappropriate as I indicated previously because he works for a vendor. Your Ad hominem remarks towards another user is in violation of the user agreement. Are you sure you really want to go down that road?
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Thank you Steve.

WI reefer55 -- watch the tone. BTW "your" = possessive "you're" = you are. If you're going to insult me, at least have it make sense.
 
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