Question about Tyree's PM

[Elite]

I pick up some coral from a guy in Dublin and he has a small colony of PM. That thing is ugly. Everything in his tank looks great and healthy.
Check out his blue millie pic below. This is 1000 times better than the PM. So here are my questions. Why do a lot of people want it? Is it because it's "rare" or other reasons???

 

[sfsuphysics]

I want it because.. ummm it's a cool color! If you're talking about the purple monster.. ehh... yes it's rare, people want it because the tyree stamp of approval is on it, it is a nice coral don't get me wrong, almost as deep purple as that above one is blue.

 

[dots]

Trendy and whats in fashion often dictate and fuel demand. However, beauty alone does not drive value. Perhaps its the unique coloration of the specie combined with hardiness that makes that type so "wanted". Though I am finding that most of the sought after SPS are slow growers which seems to drive the rarity and lack of availability.

This is something that I have been pondering for quite sometime and tried to debate with myself in the rare definitions and guidelines I suggested in the BAR frag swap thread. I believe its partially generated through industry which helps in justification of higher prices of one type versue another. But I am also convinced that there are certain, traits that lend to these "rare" corals that give them their reputations such as the above and the ability to hold color time and time again from tank to tank for instance.

I am more interested now in figuring out that criteria. I would assume one in the wholesale business or goes to one regularly could shed some light on this. Due to the shear volume of corals that come in, there has to be some that stand out from the rest and present themselves to be a unique specimen. How often is this and how does one know is my question because stress and shipping do wonders on SPS. I love the light colored ones, which always seem to turn brown or green eventually. A rare piece is one that stays that light blue or green without darkening.

That piece above, from the looks of it seems to be unique in of itself due to the coloration. But, because it doesn't have a name associated with it, is not indicitive that it isn't rare or uncommon.


Great question, I am very interested in the hobby side of things and the industry side and where the two meet and things get fuzzy. This is an excellent example of that.

 

[Unarce]

Re: Question about Tyree's PM

<Originally posted by Elite
Check out his blue millie pic below. This is 1000 times better than the PM.?

I don't want to get into the whole PM/rare/pretty debate. Just that, if that coral's not under Reeflux 10k or PS'd, than it's pretty amazing

 

[sfsuphysics]

I believe its partially generated through industry which helps in justification of higher prices of one type versue another

Chicken & Egg argument here, but if you have to remember that overseas there are people simply scowering the internet on sites like these to find out what people think is hot/cool/etc and then price exports accordingly.

 

[sfsuphysics]

btw Karl are Reeflux now considered the new bulb of choice when it comes to artificially making coral colors look better? I never thought the 20000k bulbs would lose that crown.

 

[Unarce]

20K and actinics are still king when it comes to fluorescing pigments. The Reeflux 10K is just a promoter of blue radiation:eek2:

 

[Elite]

I use RL 10K and my brown acro is still brown :lol: ..

Oh Karl, Do you have a PM??

 

[Unarce]

I do, but I'm old school. I like my colors to be deep and rich. It's funny what people consider as amazing coloration nowadays. Like those threads where someone asks how I can get or maintain this 'color', than show some bleaching acro:lol:

 

[fishsoldseprtly]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9153444#post9153444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sfsuphysics
I want it because.. ummm it's a cool color! If you're talking about the purple monster.. ehh... yes it's rare, people want it because the tyree stamp of approval is on it, it is a nice coral don't get me wrong, almost as deep purple as that above one is blue.

does it really have the stamp of approval on it? wheres the stamp located? LOL

anyone can have the same LE coral that Tyree has and say that he got it from him.

 

[Bebo77]

man that is blue...

 

[Freed]

I will take a large frag of that blue millie if you want to frag it and send it to me. PM me if you want to sell a piece. Thanks.

 

[Elite]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9154195#post9154195 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Unarce
I do, but I'm old school. I like my colors to be deep and rich. It's funny what people consider as amazing coloration nowadays. Like those threads where someone asks how I can get or maintain this 'color', than show some bleaching acro:lol:

Because it's easier to see in a tank ..

I think PM is good for a 10G tank or so. $100 plus for a little tiny piece that would take 2-3 years to grow to 2-3" mini colony if it ain't die on you. The guy I talked to said it's very sensitive too. Too much or too less of anything and it will tell you right away.

I guess what I don't understand is why getting something that is cost so much, grow so slow, look ok when you can get something else that is really nice, easier to care and grow much faster.

 

[Elite]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9154362#post9154362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freed
I will take a large frag of that blue millie if you want to frag it and send it to me. PM me if you want to sell a piece. Thanks.

That colony is not mine. Hopefully mine will be that large in the future ..

 

[rleechb]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9154395#post9154395 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Elite
Because it's easier to see in a tank ..

I think PM is good for a 10G tank or so. $100 plus for a little tiny piece that would take 2-3 years to grow to 2-3" mini colony if it ain't die on you. The guy I talked to said it's very sensitive too. Too much or too less of anything and it will tell you right away.

I guess what I don't understand is why getting something that is cost so much, grow so slow, look ok when you can get something else that is really nice, easier to care and grow much faster.

Bragging rights

That said, I have nothing to brag about.

 

[Freed]

Can you tell me whose it is so I can PM them? Thanks

 

[Unarce]

Originally posted by fishsoldseprtly
does it really have the stamp of approval on it? wheres the stamp located? LOL

anyone can have the same LE coral that Tyree has and say that he got it from him.

Be nice, Warren

The whole LE (limited edition) and AE (auctioned edition) structure is fun for collectors, although, sometimes I feel it could be more selective. I believe certain pieces transcend the moniker, like the Oregon Tort, GARF Purple Bonsai, or the Pink Lemonade. Stuff that people would pay an arm and a leg for, regardless.

Especially that crazy orange danae that some have been buzzing about in inner circles.

 

[fishsoldseprtly]

LE

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I was just kiddin bro. I was talking to ROAB about that whole LE thing earlier today. We were both saying the same thing, how anyone can say a piece came from so and so's tank, or whos not to say that the corals of one hobbyist whos names are on these corals were not bought from a LFS and one can just say it came from the individuals tank and people would buy it.
But you know I was just messin around bro.

 

[Unarce]

I know! I'm sure Mike did, too

The name game can get messy at times, and Alex would know all too well. I do feel there's great value in being able to trace your piece convincingly. It may sound funny, but each generation of a particular piece, in way, gains strength and character.

Each propagated frag becomes more suited for tank life, than the parent. It's tendencies are learned and passed down from hobbyist to hobbyist. Too often, those qualities get overlooked.

 

[dots]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9154435#post9154435 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Unarce
sometimes I feel it could be more selective. I believe certain pieces transcend the moniker, like the Oregon Tort, GARF Purple Bonsai, or the Pink Lemonade. Stuff that people would pay an arm and a leg for, regardless.

I think that it is only going to get worse which is the reason I am trying to understand the whole "rare" definition when it comes to these pieces. I think that people are seeing the potential of this market and it is only going to get bigger than it already is. Look at for instance how many more LFS in Sacramento threre have been in the last few years for instance. This is a booming industry. I think people will be using this moniker to create a false demand, if not already. Its effective marketing though to have catchy names associated with pieces.

I think your correct Karl, its the thrill of the hunt for people to track down and finally obtain that elusive piece, finding it and checking it off a list. Personally it helps me focus and in the longrun spend less money rather than just what I like and think what is "pretty", which forces me to be more selective. In fact, I was reading the other day where one guy had been trying to get a Pink Lemonade for months, I consider myself lucky to have one.

Lineage and the degrees of seperation I think some get a kick out of also, the inter connectiveness of the hobbiest. Stories and the lore behind them add meaning and substance to a coral where they transend the life of a colored stick and take on a life of thier own. Thats is what interested in Eddies Purple Monster in the end, I found the story behind it cool. Which in my opinion seems to be even rarer/obsure than the other Purple Monster monikered pieces.

But Im just jumping on this rare bandwagon and historically not a bandwagoner so I am trying to figure out exactly how much of it is hobbiest/collector in orgin or business.

For those who have been around longer than I, what are other "rare" or "hype" pieces you can think of and have they withstood the test of time.........I seem to remember the Orange Caps being in high demand, and now they are given away as freebies in orders?