Raising Salinity during TTM with Prazipro?

BigJohnny

BigJohnny

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Is this too much?

LFS runs at 1.021. I'd like to do the following:

Bring fish home
Tank 1: 1.021
1st transfer after 3 days

Tank 2: 1.022, first dose prazipro
2nd transfer after 3 days

Tank 3: 1.023
3rd transfer after 3 days

Tank 4: 1.024, second dose prazipro
4th transfer after 3 days

Observation QT: 1.025

The alternative would be TTM/prazi then gradually bring up salinity in observation tank by topping off with saltwater or doing water changes with higher salinity water.

I'm doing 2 baby clowns so only 10g observation tank however, which I figure may be hard to adjust salinity smoothly compared to pre mixing transfers which is more accurate but requires the fish to endure .001 increase in s.g. without acclimation.

First time doing TTM, thanks for your help!
 
No what your suggesting is fine, and actually very similar to what I did when I QT TTM my clowns at the beginning of the year. I think i have seen the general salinity raise that fish can endure is something like 0.001-0.002 per day, which you easily beat. I also did the Prazi dosing like you did, and it's been 8 months in my DT and the clowns seem fine. Good luck, just remember to properly sanitize the QT between transfers.
 
Yellow Eyes said:
No what your suggesting is fine, and actually very similar to what I did when I QT TTM my clowns at the beginning of the year. I think i have seen the general salinity raise that fish can endure is something like 0.001-0.002 per day, which you easily beat. I also did the Prazi dosing like you did, and it's been 8 months in my DT and the clowns seem fine. Good luck, just remember to properly sanitize the QT between transfers.
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Fantastic, so I don't need to acclimate the .001 changes?
 
Not too much at all. They won't notice .001 per day in terms of osmotic adjustments. They'll just drink a little more. ypou could probably go .002 per day but I prefer the .001.
 
.001 SG increase a day is not a problem. What you are proposing is fine. I actually do things a bit different during the TTM. I actually go down .001 SG per transfer so to speak.

Let me explain...With using 10g tanks for the TTM. I usually see a .002 SG increase while a fish kept in in each tank due to water evaporation. Hence with each transfer, even though I am dropping my SG by .001 when moving fish from one tank to another, I am still climbing the SG scale overall as time goes on. Does that make sense. Fish can handle a salinity drop much easier than an increase.

Whatever my salinity is at the time I move the fish into QT, I just set my QT to that number. I will then slowly raise my salinity over time by adding saltwater to my ATO container for my QT. Eventually my target SG is 1.025 for my QT and my DT.

I am currently putting an orange spotted filefish through the TTM, but what I am doing with her is bit different. With feeding so much trying to get her to eat, I am changing out a lot of water during each tank transfer. If my salnitly never goes up, that is ok with me. I will just ultimately raise it when the fish is in quarantine.

Good luck and don't sweat it. You will be fine.
 
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Fish have an internal sg of around 1.008. They work to keep it there,osmoregulate( drink alot and process concentrated urine) as if it swings it disrupts homeostasis and all the life functions. A large increase in sg makes it difficult for them to keep up and leads to osmotic shock.
 
Ph is 7.8 in first ttm tank of 1.021. Assuming due to lower Alkalinity? I believe aeration is sufficient but I do have high co2 in my house. If I dosed up the calc/alk wouldn't that also raise salinity? Would it even have a measurable impact on pH? Salt is hw marinemix reefer at 1.021.

Should I even sweat it?
 
7.8 is ok. No need to dose alk and calcium to a transfer tank. Dosing alk(bugffers) to raise pH doesn't work anyway for more than a few hours.
 
Do I need to acclimate the fish from the fish store bag to first ttm tank if the salinity/temp matches?
 
BigJohnny said:
Do I need to acclimate the fish from the fish store bag to first ttm tank if the salinity/temp matches?
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those are the only metrics i care about when i get fish, so I just drop them in if they match within reason. but if the alkalinity is WAY off then it doesn't hurt to float and adjust them for 20 minutes or so. probably not overly necessary. fish are pretty resilient for the most part.
 
Spar said:
those are the only metrics i care about when i get fish, so I just drop them in if they match within reason. but if the alkalinity is WAY off then it doesn't hurt to float and adjust them for 20 minutes or so. probably not overly necessary. fish are pretty resilient for the most part.
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What about pH? Not an issue? Like 8.1 vs 7.8 but Temp and salinity match. Just a hypothetical
 
i don't even test pH on my DT. irrelevant as long as alkalinity is in check. same would go with bagged fish. it is actually likely that pH would be less in the bag anyway due to a higher co2 level until air diffuses in to release it.
 
BigJohnny said:
Do I have to worry about getting lfs water into the first bucket?
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Nvm I didn't transfer any, used a colander. Can I dose prime daily just incase? I have two juvenile clowns in a 10g brute in about 5g of water so I'm concerned. I've been told to dose prime on the 2nd day but I just want to know if there is any risk/downside to dosing daily as a precaution.

Thanks!
 
Daily dosing of prime or equivalent is no problem at all. I sometimes do that when dealing with messier fish just for ease of my mind.

Re: transfer if water. Any water transferred over from the lfs at beginning would have not been a problem. Even going forward from transfer to transfer a little water is not a problem. You just want to minimize it as much as feasible. The reason for this has to do with the potential life cycle stages that are possible to transfer with the water... it will eventually turn into a cyst/tomont and be removed during the next transfer anyway.
 
When using TTM I always use Seachem Ammonia alert badge and on the second day I routinely add Kent Marine Pro-Ammonia Detox. I don't know if it is any better or worse than Prime, it is just what I got at my LFS
 
Spar said:
Daily dosing of prime or equivalent is no problem at all. I sometimes do that when dealing with messier fish just for ease of my mind.

Re: transfer if water. Any water transferred over from the lfs at beginning would have not been a problem. Even going forward from transfer to transfer a little water is not a problem. You just want to minimize it as much as feasible. The reason for this has to do with the potential life cycle stages that are possible to transfer with the water... it will eventually turn into a cyst/tomont and be removed during the next transfer anyway.
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Cool thanks boss. Yea I'd rather just dose daily for peace of mind. How do I know how much to dose? It says 5ml/50g which would be .5ml/5g, however it says to detoxify nitrite (i only care about ammonia obviously) in an emergency up to 5 times that can be used. Do I just go with the standard .5ml or somewhere in the middle?
 
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