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even if he has started up again, it'll be a while before he starts producing.

I wouldn't expect anyone that knows what's going on isn't going to make it public.

There are plenty of us that would like to see some fish come out of there and when it does, we'll hear about it :D
 
they produced only a few handfuls in the years they were open, so a few people have them, expect the fish to cost alot I believe flame angels were 600.00 ea
 
Ian-
While frank was able to produce rare centropyges, his costs were approximately the same for generating sellable stocks. Everything IMHO was expensive
 
FMarini said:
Ian-
While frank was able to produce rare centropyges, his costs were approximately the same for generating sellable stocks. Everything IMHO was expensive
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I guess that makes sense. It takes a lot more time and effort to rear these fish than it does to net them.

Just the same, if I buy an aquacultured frag it'll cost me more than a full wild colony...
 
I spoke to Frank about a couple of weeks ago, and he was off on a trip to Papua New Guinea, the last of his trips for a while... for those who haven't seen his underwater photography, check out http://www.baenschphoto.com/. Also check out this thread where we did some diving earlier this year...

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1708758

FMarini said:
they produced only a few handfuls in the years they were open, so a few people have them, expect the fish to cost alot I believe flame angels were 600.00 ea
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Hmm... Frank I'm with you... a $600 flame would be overpriced, but you may be confused with another breeder here, or be thinking of another species... Two other institutions, both in Hawaii ironically, did flame angels in small numbers. Frank did flames, and those retailed for $99.99 on Liveaquaria back in the day... and then he moved on to higher priced species... Flames were a tough fish to raise relative to other Centropyge, and only Frank would know... Frank was the first to do Centropyge, and the only one to do multiple species... He's done ten Centropyge species plus the hybrid to make 11, and adding in Apolemichthys arcuatus he did 12... the other two institutions only did flames, and in small numbers... and of course Karen Brittain who raised the two Genicanthus personatus at the Waikiki Aquarium... Frank did many hundreds of fish... his last fish he raised over 300... much more than a handful... I've owned seven species from him between broodstock and offspring... his prices were very reasonable in my opinion... $650 for a small interrupta was a steal... as you cannot even find small interrupta here in the states as there is a line of prepaid Japanese hobbyists right in their backyard that have paid way more than that... in addition to this, his CB interrupta had none of the issues wild specimens have, which are many... Matt Wittenrich, a breeding icon himself, spoke right after me at MACNA, and we had lunch afterwards... the respect he had for what Frank had trailblazed was amazing... I've known Frank for years as a friend and fellow angelfish nut, but for someone like Matt Wittenrich to look up to his breeding skills so highly really made me respect Frank that much more... He put years of hard work in, and was a one man operation doing daily wild plankton seines and feeding around the clock 365 days a year when he had fry... when you factor in the man hours and dedication, his prices were quite reasonable for any angelfish nut...

Copps
 
I can't wait for him to come back like lots of people on these boards. He blazed a trail that is complete by any means. Things will hopefully only get better from here.

Come back soon Frank We miss you and your beautiful fish!!

Dave
 
I would have no problem dropping quite a bit extra for a healthy, disease free, peaceful,100% reef safe, mixed species compatible Centropyge that readily eats prepared foods and that I can expect to readily acclimate to my tank!!!

Thanks to the OP for posting this. I will definitely be on the look out for them to start up!
 
Ya it would be pretty awesome if he got to selling again. I think a lot of hobbyists would be willing to shell out double or more for captive bred fish. That could be the key that unlocks species with terrible records, like multifasciatus.
 
copps said:
I spoke to Frank about a couple of weeks ago, and he was off on a trip to Papua New Guinea, the last of his trips for a while... for those who haven't seen his underwater photography, check out http://www.baenschphoto.com/. Also check out this thread where we did some diving earlier this year...

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1708758



Hmm... Frank I'm with you... a $600 flame would be overpriced, but you may be confused with another breeder here, or be thinking of another species... Two other institutions, both in Hawaii ironically, did flame angels in small numbers. Frank did flames, and those retailed for $99.99 on Liveaquaria back in the day... and then he moved on to higher priced species... Flames were a tough fish to raise relative to other Centropyge, and only Frank would know... Frank was the first to do Centropyge, and the only one to do multiple species... He's done ten Centropyge species plus the hybrid to make 11, and adding in Apolemichthys arcuatus he did 12... the other two institutions only did flames, and in small numbers... and of course Karen Brittain who raised the two Genicanthus personatus at the Waikiki Aquarium... Frank did many hundreds of fish... his last fish he raised over 300... much more than a handful... I've owned seven species from him between broodstock and offspring... his prices were very reasonable in my opinion... $650 for a small interrupta was a steal... as you cannot even find small interrupta here in the states as there is a line of prepaid Japanese hobbyists right in their backyard that have paid way more than that... in addition to this, his CB interrupta had none of the issues wild specimens have, which are many... Matt Wittenrich, a breeding icon himself, spoke right after me at MACNA, and we had lunch afterwards... the respect he had for what Frank had trailblazed was amazing... I've known Frank for years as a friend and fellow angelfish nut, but for someone like Matt Wittenrich to look up to his breeding skills so highly really made me respect Frank that much more... He put years of hard work in, and was a one man operation doing daily wild plankton seines and feeding around the clock 365 days a year when he had fry... when you factor in the man hours and dedication, his prices were quite reasonable for any angelfish nut...

Copps
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Thanks for the info Copps. So do you think we can expect Frank to start selling tank raised centropyges in 2010?
 
thanks John-
maybe i was confused w/ another organization, i just recall my jaw hitting the floor when i saw the prices of the flame angels.
 
jhawkor said:
Thanks for the info Copps. So do you think we can expect Frank to start selling tank raised centropyges in 2010?
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Even Frank cannot say exactly when he will have fish to sell, but I can say he will be back, and when he is it will be amazing...:fun4:

FMarini said:
thanks John-
maybe i was confused w/ another organization, i just recall my jaw hitting the floor when i saw the prices of the flame angels.
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No sweat Frank! I respect tremendously what you hard core breeders are able to accomplish... Having known Frank from the early days, I have seen recently that many of the people that were complaining about Frank's pricing back then are wishing his return now... :) ... reminds me of the 80s hair metal band Cinderella and their hit "Don't know what you got 'til it's gone". :D

NCSUsalt said:
^^ I wouldn't hold my breath, in 2k8 it said check back in 2k9

He sold all his broodstock didn't he copps?
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Frank's been fishless for over two years now, but he's been putting that time to good use... his PhD is almost finished... the first paper from that was on the Centropyge debelius he raised, which sold for more than five times the price of any other fish he raised at $4500... still less than wild though... and even at that price he didn't come close to fulfilling the demand...

http://glassbox-design.com/2009/baensch-centropyge-debelius-breeding/

Copps
 
I just really hope he comes back soon. I'm wanting a pair of C. colini and he seems to be the best to buy from. I'll gladly pay extra for tank raised.
 
Ian said:
Right on John, I didn't know you got down like that :D
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While I was more of a Beastie Boys guy with where I grew up (I'm only a nerd when it comes to fish), everyone who grew up in the 80s loved glam rock... it's just some admit it and some don't... :wildone: <---- glam rock smiley...
 
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