Reef Babies

Fast Fred

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I just saw the coolest thing in my tank! My cleaner shrimp gave birth while I watched. The babies were live, and swimming around in the tank! There were hundreds of them! The fish in the tank went nuts eating them. I did manage to divert some of the overflow water to the fuge, and now some of them are swimming around in there. I have no idea if they'll survive, but it was worth a try to save a few of them. Has anyone ever heard of this, or heard of anyone raising them to adulthood?

I managed to capture a dozen or so from the fuge using a turkey baster. I have them in a bucket now. I'm going to try and get a live-bearer holding pen for them tomorrow.

Any advice?

I thought I'd try and feed them some phytoplankton.
 
Thanks Worm!

I just got back from the LFS where I purchased a breeder net (holding pen) and some phyto. I did a fair amout of research on the web last night and that's about all I could find to do. I'll look into getting the book as well.

Thanks.
 
Fred,

Are you referring to Peppermints? or Scarlet/Skunk cleaners?

Because if it's the latter, sorry to say you'll have better luck winning the Lottery than rearing them to adulthood.

Public aquariums, even with all they have access to, measure success in weeks rather than months.

I have researched these guys quite heavily, spoken to many who have already given it a serious attempt, and even witnessed deliberate attempts in public aquaria first hand. And 99.999% of the time it all ends the same - A trail of dejected people scratching their heads in frustration.

My advice is to sit back and just let them do their thing. Nature will take it's course with little or no effort on your part. Your tank inhabitants will enjoy the extra food, you will enjoy the show, and there will be a few less lost hours of sleep in the end.

Psssst.... FYI: they don't eat phyto ;)

Brett
 
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Brett,

Yes, they are Skunk Cleaner Shrimp. That's some tough news to take. So far it's been about 20 hours since birth, and they're still alive. Any thoughts on what to feed them? I'm not doubting your word, but someone has to be the first to raise them to adulthood. Why not me? I'm very optomistic.
 
Well....

Newly hatched brine shrimp is the tried and true method. And although I stated they do not eat phyto it was meant to be in response to using it as their sole means of nutrition. Adding live phyto to artemia concentrations seems to (depending on who you listen to) make some kind of difference. I know Rob Toonen is of the belief that they have some capability of processing phyto directly, and I while I'm not trying to split hairs, I prefer to hold onto the opinion that the ingestion of phyto can also occur using the bs nauplii as a carrier or host. However, to what extent phyto plays in their developement still seems to be an unsolved mystery. I certainly have no idea. And even then, it seems to make little difference for reasons I will soon state below.

In all honesty, there are so many limiting factors that I scarsely know where to start:

1. Lysomata Amboinensis fry are palegic and need to be kept is some form of suspension free of obstacles or impeedments that can damage their fragile skeletal structure. (this has led to researchers and the like using Kreisels or other similar structured specialty tanks that attempt to mimic an open ocean environment.) Just bouncing off the interior walls of a tank could possibly damage them beyond repair. Thus, you must ensure that whatever setup you decide to use it must be designed such that is allows them to navigate effortlessly along in a never-ending slow drift.

2. Their attached yolk sac seems capable of sustaining them anywhere from 24-36 hours so you could probably keep them alive with little effort on your part for 1-2 days. After that the clock begins ticking. This is where your choice of food and food concentrations become critical - too much and you have water quality issues. Too little and they will starve. Either way you lose and must start over.

3. Using synthetic salt seems to yield poorer results that using natural seawater. Some synthetics won't work at all and entire cultures have been wiped out just trying to do a water change.

4. Even keeping them alive for 5 or 6 or even 10 weeks is still no guarantee that you will see success. There is a final stage in their larval developement called the metamorphasis where they settle out of suspension and make the transition from palegic fry to juvenile shrimp. This is the hump that nearly no one can surpass. And those that do seem to be unable to duplicate their results with any real regularity. At best, those that have come close seem to do no better than to keep them alive until such time that they finally burnout from the absence of whatever it is (be it nutritional, homonal or environmantal) that singnals them to morph.

I wish you all the luck, but I still say you'll better off in the long run if you just put your feet up and enjoy a nice cold beer. :)

Brett
 
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You can feed the shrimp shrimp. I know of some people who raised baby fire shrimp in a large vat with a sort of breeder net inside to keep the shrimp from being injured. I forgot what else they fed besides shrimp slices, but they had about 25% survival rate if I remember correctly
 
You can feed the shrimp shrimp. I know of some people who raised baby fire shrimp in a large vat with a sort of breeder net inside to keep the shrimp from being injured. I forgot what else they fed besides shrimp slices, but they had about 25% survival rate if I remember correctly. (they would put a slice of shrimp on a toothpick at the bottom, middle and top of the net)

Good luck
 
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