reef bio fuel
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iFisch
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Re: reef bio fuel
Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.petstore.com/ps_ViewItem...tics-idProduct-BW01230-idCategory-AQASBI.html
I've been using phosphate remover in a filter bag, for the passive method. I'm awaiting my LFS to get some in stock, or else I have to purchase online.
Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.petstore.com/ps_ViewItem...tics-idProduct-BW01230-idCategory-AQASBI.html
I've been using phosphate remover in a filter bag, for the passive method. I'm awaiting my LFS to get some in stock, or else I have to purchase online.
DeathWish302
Clown Hoarder
I've been Vodka dosing for a little over 1.5 weeks now and I've only grown a greater amount of cyano. Biofuel may not be the cure to the cyano. With the help of melev and others', I'm going to try in this order:
1)Brightwell Aquatics MB7
2)3 Days of complete Darkness
3)Blue Life's RedSlime Control
I already have fairly low NO3 and PO4 levels, but hope maybe the M7 with the vodka will gain ground over the cyano. I think this is an area regardless of what others' say must be fought by each aquarist in their own situation....
1)Brightwell Aquatics MB7
2)3 Days of complete Darkness
3)Blue Life's RedSlime Control
I already have fairly low NO3 and PO4 levels, but hope maybe the M7 with the vodka will gain ground over the cyano. I think this is an area regardless of what others' say must be fought by each aquarist in their own situation....
Billybeau1
Premium Member
Re: reef bio fuel
I haven't tried that product, but I am skeptical of its effectiveness.
GFO is pretty effective at lowering PO<sub>4</sub>. And lowering nitrates needs an understand by the reefer as to how they are elevated in their particular situation.
These articles may help if you haven't already seen them.
Nitrate in the Reef Aquarium
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/august2003/chem.htm
And
Iron Oxide Hydroxide (GFO binders)
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-11/rhf/index.htm
Good luck
I haven't tried that product, but I am skeptical of its effectiveness.
GFO is pretty effective at lowering PO<sub>4</sub>. And lowering nitrates needs an understand by the reefer as to how they are elevated in their particular situation.
These articles may help if you haven't already seen them.
Nitrate in the Reef Aquarium
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/august2003/chem.htm
And
Iron Oxide Hydroxide (GFO binders)
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-11/rhf/index.htm
Good luck
DeathWish302
Clown Hoarder
....and expensive versus other methods. Just my experience for the amount of PO4 that was removed was NOT worth the $$$.
I was skeptical of vodka until I tried it. All I can say is wow. Just for kicks, I'm going to LFS tonight and pick up some Biofuel to test against the vodka. Oz for oz I think the Vodka will win.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
You mean $$$ per oz needed to perform the same function, right ?
Let us know what happens, and please be careful.
Let us know what happens, and please be careful.
iFisch
New member
What about this stuff?
http://www.marineandreef.com/PhosPhat_E_Liquid_500_ml_Brightwell_Aquatics_p/rba01144.htm
http://www.marineandreef.com/PhosPhat_E_Liquid_500_ml_Brightwell_Aquatics_p/rba01144.htm
Billybeau1
Premium Member
I'm just not a big fan of liquid phosphate removers. Where does the phosphate go ? I don't think it just disappears. These products possibly breaks down PO<sub>4</sub> but it would still have to be removed by a good quality skimmer.
GFO binds phosphate and removes it from the system when you change it out regularly.
I just don't like adding chemicals to eliminate undesirable chemicals. But that's just me.
GFO binds phosphate and removes it from the system when you change it out regularly.
I just don't like adding chemicals to eliminate undesirable chemicals. But that's just me.
iFisch
New member
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15224103#post15224103 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
I'm just not a big fan of liquid phosphate removers. Where does the phosphate go ? I don't think it just disappears. These products possibly breaks down PO<sub>4</sub> but it would still have to be removed by a good quality skimmer.
GFO binds phosphate and removes it from the system when you change it out regularly.
I just don't like adding chemicals to eliminate undesirable chemicals. But that's just me.
So could a liquid phosphate remover be used in conjunction with GFO? I'm using the passive way, just some GFO in a media bag and letting the flow in the sump to pass through the bag.
luther1200
Premium Member
I believe the active ingredient in that is Lanthanum Chloride. Which is a very popular and effective method on large tanks.
luther1200
Premium Member
I didn't mean to imply it wouldn't work on a smaller tank. Just that it is more commomnly seen on larger systems. I believe it doesn't take much either. But I don't know much more than that. I have read a few articles where people explained that they were dosing it. I would do some research on the subject if you are planning on dosing it. If you do wind up dosing it let us know how it turns out. I would be curious to know.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
If you do not have a skimmer, I think the liquid would be useless.
I run my gfo in a hang on back canister filter and replace the media about every 4 to 6 weeks. Actually, my HOB acts as dual duty. I run carbon and GFO in the same canister. Works great for me.
iFisch
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15226033#post15226033 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
If you do not have a skimmer, I think the liquid would be useless.
I run my gfo in a hang on back canister filter and replace the media about every 4 to 6 weeks. Actually, my HOB acts as dual duty. I run carbon and GFO in the same canister. Works great for me.
That's what I'm going to do. Just get a "mini" HOB filter, swap out media for GFO/carbon
You can dose lanthanum chloride through a 10micron fliter sock or a wad of filter floss. Most larger systems employ a sand filter. The phosphate precipitates with the lanthanum chloride and makes the water cloudy. The cloud particles are precipitated phosphate which remain in the tank if you don't filter them out as you dose it. These particles can be harmful to fish clogging their gills. Wether or not a skimmer would remove adequate amounts of the precipitant is questionable. Long term use will elevate lanthanum levels since it is my understanding that the lanthanum does not predipitate. The effect of increased lanthanum levels in reef aquariums in not known.
There are many commercial liquid phosphate removers which are some dilution of lanthanum chloride. It is also available in pool stores.
I have used a little bit of it from time to time to tweak phosphate . I also use gfo and vodka ,vinegar.
Here's a thread on it:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1474839&highlight=lantanum+chloride
There are many commercial liquid phosphate removers which are some dilution of lanthanum chloride. It is also available in pool stores.
I have used a little bit of it from time to time to tweak phosphate . I also use gfo and vodka ,vinegar.
Here's a thread on it:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1474839&highlight=lantanum+chloride
