Reef Crash HELP!!!

Sorry didnt read all repleys.
Dont add stuff to control ammonia.The ammonia or the additive are not wanted period. You need to control the ammonia source.
More info in your profile would help control guessing.

Tanks age?
All equipment used?
All stock?
Amount of LR and substrate and type of substrate?
 
If the sand was LS and not cycled and added after cycle then it would cause a recycle. Good point.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12398724#post12398724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vanmo92
It could be that the sand bed crashed. Possibly.
 
take age- 6years
mag 12, triple pass skimmer, 30 gallon sump/fuge with macro/rock/sand
100 lbs live rock, assorted corals ( mushrooms, xenia (dead now) frogspawn, toadstool, assort polyps, purple tang, tom. clown, 3 other small fish (very simple, not overloaded tank)
2" sand bed
 
Your 2 inch SB means you get no benefit from its wanted bio filteration. Also flow sounds good but placement just as important?
Did you just add anything new like sand or rock or do a very large water change?
 
I swear i saw nitrate and ammonia readings.Thats funny. Anyway a 80% water change will cause your tank to cycle from mini to major.



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12399063#post12399063 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by skinz78
I haven't seen any water paramaters posted, did I miss them?
 
ok got the #'s and keep in mind these are all after major water change 80%
salt-1028- need to bring down
PH-824
Ammonia- 25 (going to use turbo start bacteria, and change all ro/di filters)
Nitrate/Nitrite- 0
Alk- 11
Calcium- 25
Magnesium- 23 (gonna use Mag up)
 
Bluemonster,

remember over here in Miami was some kind of virus over the sea and sometime those people who sale "filtered reef water" don't care about the virus.

Maybe that virus kill and crash your tank.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12401481#post12401481 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluemonster
ok got the #'s and keep in mind these are all after major water change 80%
salt-1028- need to bring down
PH-824
Ammonia- 25 (going to use turbo start bacteria, and change all ro/di filters)
Nitrate/Nitrite- 0
Alk- 11
Calcium- 25
Magnesium- 23 (gonna use Mag up)
do you change your water only once a year, or what?

by calcium 25 do you mean its 250ppm?
 
sorry typo Calcium 350

I change water a few times a year. been doin it that way for years and tank has always been solid. I try to keep thing very simple as thats whats always worked
 
Ammonia- 25

You did mention that this is a cycled tank correct? This is what killed your tank critters

Nitrate and Nitrite 0 (doesn't make sense to me if the Ammonia is so high). I would expect Ammonia to be converted pretty fast in a cycled tank; this is an indication of a breakdown in your good bacteria.

Magnesium 23 (never seen this that low); salt water is usually around 1300. Could this be an error?
 
Yep tank is cycled, been up and running for probably 6 years. What causes good bacteria to breakdown. It happened rather fast within 48 hrs tank just went downhill and appeared to be in full shutdown. I had water tested and they were very curious why mag would be so low after having water change with reef water service which is very reputable in our area
 
Long email; sorry....

Once more test; can you check for copper?

If the tank is healthy, which it sounds like your should have been ammonia should be converted very quickly and you would have Nitrites, and Nitrates. The fact that you don't is not a good sign.

Example:

I once helped a friend diagnose random fish deaths and we found (after a long time) that the cleaning people where spraying ammonia cleaner on the tank glass but by the time the water was tested the ammonia had been converted but the spike had done the damage.

Back to reality...

The facts that ammonia was still in the tank, and if the mag is an accurate reading I would be suspect of the water change.

Can I assume that you have some amount of (real) rock and sand in this tank and it is not bare bottom and fake rocks?

While an 80% water change is on the high side I would not expect it to cause the tank to re-cycle as suggested above. Most of the bacteria lives within the rock and sand and not the water. Such a large water change can stress animals if done too quickly and could cause deaths if the PH and temp (especially) do not closely match the existing tank conditions but a re-cycle; my experiences do not support that; I have done large changes without loosing my bacteria base.

What next:

I don't know what to tell you now, after the fact but I would, if possible, dump all water in the tank and start with fresh salt water. Make some buckets of fresh salt and move your rock into the buckets, maybe rinse the rock in 1 bucket and store into another, if the sand isn't too deep you might be able to rinse and keep it the same way. Any remaining live critters, acclimate into the new water and drain and clean the tank. Think of the bucket as being a temporary tank (heat/cool them as you did the main tank). Fill with new RO/DI (preferably), move sand and some rock (but not all rock because it will help the health of the buckets). Cycle up the tank, which should happen quickly, maybe you can get a piece of rock or some sand from an established tank; that will help cycle faster also. My guess is that within 1-2 weeks you will have your happy tank back.

Yes, this is a bit drastic but I am suggesting it for long term health; you don't know what was in the change water so removing it all eliminates a chance that there is something left over and the tank becomes a tank-of-death for anything you add in the future.

If you happen to measure copper then your sand has to go and maybe the rock; it's very difficult to get the copper out but it can be done but let's cross that if we have to.

In the future:

Test the water this company sends and drip into the tank slowly. One of the best ways to change such a large amount of water is to place your water makeup pump into the new water and use a drip acclimation hose to drain the tank. This way the new water goes is very slowly and doesn't change the tank parameters too quickly. It also gives you some warning if something is going bad and even a chance to stop the change before it kills anything.
 
So.....Ill keep it short, many thanks for all of everyone advice. last night I get home, the 5 year old walks up to me and says "Daddy my tank (20 gallon freshwater) looks funny. Tank was all cloudy and I had topped off tank with maybe 2 gallons 2 days earlier. On the way home yesterday I went by lfs and stocked up with all my repair items including new ro/di cartridges. I pulled off the first chamber and couldnt believe that it was somewhere between brown and black. It was nasty. So after slowly bringing down salinity, starting to use mag up, hitting tank with turbo start, Ill just have to wait it out. Tanks right now just looks like a mess. Some corals are shedding a skin like substance but dont look dead just stressed. Once again, thanks for all the input (saved me money on therapy)
 
Is it possible that the locals didn't starting treating the tapwater with some new chemical, causing your RO/DI system to foul up?
 
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