plateboy3293
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I am going on a cruise to bermuda. Can you legally collect corals from bermuda or can you purchase them their and bring them back with you? :rollface: Thanks
Removing corals from Bermuda?
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RicksReefs
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no, it's outlawed in the bahamas and bringing them in to the US requires a CITES permit, otherwise, it's outlawed here too.
plateboy3293
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Alright thanks I guess I just won't do it.
floridareefs
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Yes, protect the worlds reefs.
airinhere
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It is illegal to collect in the Bahamas, but as for bringing stuff into the USA, you just need to declare it at customs.
Now, if you were trying to sell the corals after you bring them in, then there is a lot of extra paperwork and effort involved. But that is because they are a source of income. Uncle Sam gets his cut then.
Private individuals are not so regulated.
CITES permits are not designsated by the country you are returning to, but the country you collected from. You have to find out each individual nations rules regarding collecting and CITES.
And US Customs will require anyone to have the needed paperwork for any animals they are bringing into the country.
Useful links.
http://www.petsforum.com/characin/carey//carey/articles/97/import_rules.html
http://www.fws.gov/international/pdf/cpc.pdf
http://www.fws.gov/le/ImpExp/Regional_Permit_Offices.htm
Now, if you were trying to sell the corals after you bring them in, then there is a lot of extra paperwork and effort involved. But that is because they are a source of income. Uncle Sam gets his cut then.
Private individuals are not so regulated.
CITES permits are not designsated by the country you are returning to, but the country you collected from. You have to find out each individual nations rules regarding collecting and CITES.
And US Customs will require anyone to have the needed paperwork for any animals they are bringing into the country.
Useful links.
http://www.petsforum.com/characin/carey//carey/articles/97/import_rules.html
http://www.fws.gov/international/pdf/cpc.pdf
http://www.fws.gov/le/ImpExp/Regional_Permit_Offices.htm
RicksReefs
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but since virtually every country that we care about is a CITES member, you still need a CITES export permit from the country of origin to get it into the US.
that second link above mentions it.
that second link above mentions it.
More miss information. I know you've been researching this but your missing the mark! You can not bring in any coral into the US with out proper permits, private or commercial. It's not about money but the US stance on coral reef protection and endangered animal protection. The US stands firmly behind CITES and coral reef protection even in non CITES member nations. If you don't believe me try it
airinhere
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Mis-Information? I have spoken to far too many officials for the state and Federal government to believe I am "mis-informed"
I have yet to find any information out there revealing that there is a block against bringing in CITES listed animals into the US.
The US does stand behind the CITES convention. But nowhere in the CITES requirements does it ever indicate that private individuals are prohibited from transporting their own livestock.
Sure there is some paperwork to fill out. Nothing impossible or even very difficult to do.
Please point me at the group telling you otherwise.
I have yet to find any information out there revealing that there is a block against bringing in CITES listed animals into the US.
The US does stand behind the CITES convention. But nowhere in the CITES requirements does it ever indicate that private individuals are prohibited from transporting their own livestock.
Sure there is some paperwork to fill out. Nothing impossible or even very difficult to do.
Please point me at the group telling you otherwise.
Folks,
First of all, Bermuda is NOT in the Bahamas(?). Secondly, they do not allow the collection of corals ( from a document by Jack Ward: "All corals have been protected since 1978"). Thirdly, Gresham is correct in saying you need CITES II certificates for any stony corals brought into the U.S. - which you are not going to get from Bermuda. It has nothing to do with your intent, or if you plan to resell them or not. You will hear of people saying they brought corals back from this or that location, and maybe they even cleared customs - but they didn't tell USFWS service about it, nor did they declare it on a 3-177, unless they had CITES II certificates from the country of origin.
Jay
First of all, Bermuda is NOT in the Bahamas(?). Secondly, they do not allow the collection of corals ( from a document by Jack Ward: "All corals have been protected since 1978"). Thirdly, Gresham is correct in saying you need CITES II certificates for any stony corals brought into the U.S. - which you are not going to get from Bermuda. It has nothing to do with your intent, or if you plan to resell them or not. You will hear of people saying they brought corals back from this or that location, and maybe they even cleared customs - but they didn't tell USFWS service about it, nor did they declare it on a 3-177, unless they had CITES II certificates from the country of origin.
Jay
RicksReefs
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DOH!
bermuda.. bahama...
I think I need new glasses..
bermuda.. bahama...
I think I need new glasses..
airinhere
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Bermuda, Whoops.
I think everyone has been saying that the collection there is not legal.
I think we all agree that CITES certificates are needed from the country of origin.
But it is legal to collect corals elsewhere and then to bring them back into the country. There are just rules you have to follow.
I think everyone has been saying that the collection there is not legal.
I think we all agree that CITES certificates are needed from the country of origin.
But it is legal to collect corals elsewhere and then to bring them back into the country. There are just rules you have to follow.
plateboy3293
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Do you know where I can find these rules? A site would be helpful.
