rinse sand?

firewill65

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I just bought some of Treemans old sand from the LFS on atlantic blvd. I remember reading somewhere that the sand needs to be rinsed off well...the man in the LFS said not to rinse it since the dust is actual calcium cloride which would benefit my tank.

Is this true? Should I still rinse it? If so do I need to rinse with RO water, or can I rinse with tap? Any help would help this newbie out! Thanks!
 
Are you adding this into a new tank or a already setup one? If its already setup and cycled. If you add this sand it will cause a cycle. You can aways add calcium to your tank. It will also spike your phosphate and nitrates up. Was this sand out of a tank or was it siting in a bucket?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9374799#post9374799 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by instrance
Use it just like that. It will help you go through a cycle.

^^^ What he said.
 
Note that it MAY have shells in it. If you don't mind the shells slowly appearing on the top as sifters go through the sand you are fine. Otherwise you may want to sift it for large particles. I wanted my top layer shell free, so I've had to go back several time to sift the top 1/4" to clear it. I Love the grain size. But If I had to do it over, I would have sifted my sand first.
"My results may not be typical"
 
Also, i bought the same sand and it was full of dried salt so it threw my specific gravity way off when I added normally mixed water. Keep that in mind.

I had to dilute it quite a bit but the sand is great!
 
Sorry in advance for the loooooong post, but the original article quoted below is many pages longer. :p

If it's really salty sand you could start by adding some RO/DI water until the proper SG is reached then fill it the rest of the way with your NSW.

Side question, where are you getting your NSW from?
I certainly wouldn't trust anything anywhere within a few miles of the coast.
The amount of partially treated sewage we're dumping offshore is staggering.
Nothing but a haven for nuisance algaes, bacteria and disease as far as I'm concerned.

poopchute.jpg


<a href=http://www.latimes.com/news/local/oceans/la-me-ocean30jul30,1,4515399,full.story?coll=la-news-environment&ctrack=1&cset=true target=_blank>Original article by the LA Times </a>
The dark water spun to the surface like an undersea cyclone. From 80 feet below, the swirling mixture of partially treated sewage spewed from a 5-foot-wide pipe off the coast of Hollywood, Fla., dubbed the "poop chute" by divers and fishermen.

Fish swarmed at the mouth â€" blue tangs and chubs competing for particles in the wastewater.

Marine ecologist Brian Lapointe and research assistant Rex "Chip" Baumberger, wearing wetsuits and breathing air from scuba tanks, swam to the base of the murky funnel cloud to collect samples. The effluent meets state and federal standards but is still rich in nitrogen, phosphorous and other nutrients.

By Lapointe's calculations, every day about a billion gallons of sewage in South Florida are pumped offshore or into underground aquifers that seep into the ocean. The wastewater feeds a green tide of algae and bacteria that is helping to wipe out the remnants of Florida's 220 miles of coral, the world's third largest barrier reef.

In addition, fertilizer washes off sugar cane fields, livestock compounds and citrus farms into Florida Bay.

"You can see the murky green water, the green pea soup loaded with organic matter," said Lapointe, a marine biologist at Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution in Fort Pierce, Fla. "All that stuff feeds the algae and bacterial diseases that are attacking corals."

Government officials thought they were helping in the early 1990s when they released fresh water that had been held back by dikes and pumps for years. They were responding to the recommendations of scientists who, at the time, blamed the decline of ocean habitats on hypersalinity â€" excessively salty seawater.

The fresh water, laced with farm runoff rich in nitrogen and other nutrients, turned Florida's gin-clear waters cloudy. Seaweed grew fat and bushy.

It was a fatal blow for many struggling corals, delicate animals that evolved to thrive in clear, nutrient-poor saltwater. So many have been lost that federal officials in May added what were once the two most dominant types â€" elkhorn and staghorn corals â€" to the list of species threatened with extinction. Officials estimate that 97% of them are gone.

Sewage and farm runoff kill corals in various ways.

Algae blooms deny them sunlight essential for their survival.

The nutrients in sewage and fertilizer make bacteria grow wildly atop corals, consuming oxygen and suffocating the animals within.

A strain of bacteria found in human intestines, Serratia marcescens, has been linked to white pox disease, one of a host of infectious ailments that have swept through coral reefs in the Florida Keys and elsewhere.

The germ appears to come from leaky septic tanks, cesspits and other sources of sewage that have multiplied as the Keys have grown from a collection of fishing villages to a stretch of bustling communities with 80,000 year-round residents and 4 million visitors a year.

Scientists discovered the link by knocking on doors of Keys residents, asking to use their bathrooms. They flushed bacteria marked with tracers down toilets and found them in nearby ocean waters in as little as three hours.

Nearly everything in the Keys seems to be sprouting green growths, even an underwater sculpture known as Christ of the Abyss, placed in the waters off Key Largo in the mid-1960s as an attraction for divers and snorkelers. Dive-shop operators scrub the bronze statue with wire brushes from time to time, but they have trouble keeping up with the growth.

Lapointe began monitoring algae at Looe Key in 1982. He picked the spot, a 90-minute drive south of Key Largo, because its clear waters, colorful reef and abundance of fish made it a favorite site for scuba divers. Today, the corals are in ruins, smothered by mats of algae.

Although coral reefs cover less than 1% of the ocean floor, they are home to at least 2 million species, or about 25% of all marine life. They provide nurseries for fish and protect oceanfront homes from waves and storm surges.

Looe Key was once a sandy shoal fringed by coral. The Key has now slipped below the water's surface, a disappearing act likely to be repeated elsewhere in these waters as pounding waves breach dying reefs. Scientists predict that the Keys ultimately will have to be surrounded by sea walls as ocean levels rise.

With a gentle kick of his fins through murky green water, Lapointe maneuvered around a coral mound that resembled the intricate, folded pattern of a brain. Except that this brain was being eroded by the coralline equivalent of flesh-eating disease.

"It rips my heart out," Lapointe said. "It's like coming home and seeing burglars have ransacked your house, and everything you cherished is gone."
 
I was going to have one of those company's that deliver it bring it over. I don't know the name of the company but my buddy had his 400 gallon tank filled and had no problems. I dont want to have to wait a month for my Ro system to fill the tank. Unless you think that is the way to go. It will save me 100 bucks and I'll know for sure that its clean water. I'm sure the company's dont filter it...so I guess its taking a gamble. Should I just mix my own water? Thanks guys!
 
I guess that depends on if you trust that the company is burning the gas to go far enough offshore to avoid our sewage, runoff, redtide, etc.
It's always a gamble cause you still don't know if it's gonna get pulled from a spot that's experiencing a coming algae bloom, or has parasites/undesirables/whatever.
I'm sure that 90% of the time it's not gonna cause any noticable problems... just depends on if you're a gambling man. ;)
 
If I were you,I would at least ask to test the water,when they deliver it.(with your own quality test kits)If it is loaded with organics(nitrates/phosphates etc)then either look for another supplier or use RO/DI.As for the sand,I would definately rinse it & do it well.It could be loaded with organics,which could feed problem algae for a long period of time,if not flushed out.You're setting up a new tank,so you don't really need to worry about extra calcium/buffer,as you won't have the calcium demands in a new tank.I used the same sand that you have & added it,when I switched to a larger system.Rinsing it in tap water is fine,just let it drain a while before adding to the tank.Good luck with the set up HTH
 
Treeman was selling a his 40lb bags for 6 bucks a bag...then he contracted the LFS to sell it...I paid 10bucks a bag. Still for 10 bucks a bag...thats stilll a great deal compared to anywhere else that pretty much charges as much as a dollar a pound of sand. I think I'm going to put my Ro/di system to the challange and fill the tank myself. Who cares if it will take a week. What is the order for filling? Now that I'll be filling the tank... Can I fill the tank with RO/DI water, add the salt, let it circulate for a day or so, then add the sand, live rock, let cycle? Would this order be correct?
 
I would fill a container to mix your SW.
Something like a Rubbermaid container or a 50gal trashcan.
It will be more accurate to mix a known amount of salt with a known amount of water and then dump the batch into your tank afterward.

Other than that, yeah, you got it. You know what to do.
 
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