RPS all-out... take 2 !

[cmaxwell39]

I have been watching this thread as well.

A thought occurred to me. The eggs are still intact, but it has been almost a week, and they haven't hatched. We are all looking for the eggs to wither up, or drop off, but what if the dip simply makes it so they cannont hatch/stops their development? Not going to call it a success yet, but to me there is still hope that the dip has done something to the eggs. Waiting to see how it turns out.

 

[Chriskid]

I have been watching this thread as well.

A thought occurred to me. The eggs are still intact, but it has been almost a week, and they haven't hatched. We are all looking for the eggs to wither up, or drop off, but what if the dip simply makes it so they cannont hatch/stops their development? Not going to call it a success yet, but to me there is still hope that the dip has done something to the eggs. Waiting to see how it turns out.

+1 my thoughts also

 

[aqua80]

I have been watching this thread as well.

A thought occurred to me. The eggs are still intact, but it has been almost a week, and they haven't hatched. We are all looking for the eggs to wither up, or drop off, but what if the dip simply makes it so they cannont hatch/stops their development? Not going to call it a success yet, but to me there is still hope that the dip has done something to the eggs. Waiting to see how it turns out.

that's a possibility for sure !
just don't know exactly how much time we should wait but a think it may take 2-3 weeks before eggs mature (really not sure about this...)
so will continue to monitor until the mille overgrow them !
no differences today too

 

[cmaxwell39]

I am not sure on the time it takes the eggs to fully develop. You may be right on two to three weeks, but I know it is recommended to dip in bayer every 5 days to once a week. Is this how long it would take a newly hatched larvae to develop to egg laying maturity? Or does that have something to do with the incubation period of the eggs? I am guessing the former, but once again I am not 100% sure on the life cycle of AEFW.

Thanks for doing this thread. I am sure there are a lot of us watching to see what happens with these eggs. Would have been really cool to see the eggs shrivel up and disappear, but am still hoping that the RPS All Out stops egg development.

 

[Piper27]

I am keeping my hopes up for the dip to work, it would certainly change the hobby. Keep in mind just because the eggs don't look dead or even hatch does not mean that the hatched flatworms will make it. They may live for a while but they might just not be able to eat, or lay eggs or whatever. This is why MammothReefers (and others in his positions) testimony on how this product works is very valuable. He hasn't seen any come off from basting. MammothReefer have you seen this same thing when using the other products? So even if they hatch maybe they are just not able to know what an acropora is and travel around and starve. Who knows? I would assume the people that made the dip, but we have not heard from them about this...
I do not think anyone should say the product doesn't work if Aqua80's pics show them hatching. Am I right? We need others to do the same thing MammothReefer is doing to know exactly if it works properly or not.
From my experience I think it takes about 10 to 20 days for them to hatch for what its worth.

 

[flamron]

I've seen 21 days as the published incubation period. So I think days 22-25 will be the key dates.

 

[aqua80]

I've seen 21 days as the published incubation period. So I think days 22-25 will be the key dates.

That's about what I think too !
I am now at day 7 from the dip, but I don't know when the eggs have been laid... we can see on the pics that some had already hatched when I took the pic but were they from another "batch" ?

I find more eggs I would love to try to do multiple dips, like every week or so...

 

[madkeenreefer]

I am keeping my hopes up for the dip to work, it would certainly change the hobby.

This is certinly true , fingers crossed

Keep in mind just because the eggs don't look dead or even hatch does not mean that the hatched flatworms will make it. They may live for a while but they might just not be able to eat, or lay eggs or whatever.

I find this unlikely If the eggs hatch I would be very skeptical towards the product, and if this were to be the case why would the company not come out and say the product sterilizes the larvee.

This is why MammothReefers (and others in his positions) testimony on how this product works is very valuable. He hasn't seen any come off from basting.

All due respect to MammothReefer but I dont think the comparison is relevent in the regards to the test that we are seeing here. (just too many variables) ie Cycle of AEFW in relation to dipping times and the sheer quantity of large health corals in Mammothes system.(too many places to hide

So even if they hatch maybe they are just not able to know what an acropora is and travel around and starve. Who knows?

Certinly not me but I find that this would be very unlikely,again unless the eggs were made sterile.

I do not think anyone should say the product doesn't work if Aqua80's pics show them hatching. Am I right?

I would say your wrong on this one if the eggs hatch in this study I would certinly be very skeptical as the effectivness of the product.


Sorry if I come off as rude, I have seen Aqua80 test first hand and I also am doing one simular of my own.
I do also see your logic Piper and it does intrigue me and if the eggs do hatch I will continue keep up the test tank to see if they will eventualy lay eggs again or if the are indeed (sterile)

 

[KeithB]

Tagging along. Excellent work so far!

 

[xxxduke62xxx]

I am keeping my hopes up for the dip to work, it would certainly change the hobby. Keep in mind just because the eggs don't look dead or even hatch does not mean that the hatched flatworms will make it. They may live for a while but they might just not be able to eat, or lay eggs or whatever. This is why MammothReefers (and others in his positions) testimony on how this product works is very valuable. He hasn't seen any come off from basting. MammothReefer have you seen this same thing when using the other products? So even if they hatch maybe they are just not able to know what an acropora is and travel around and starve. Who knows? I would assume the people that made the dip, but we have not heard from them about this...
I do not think anyone should say the product doesn't work if Aqua80's pics show them hatching. Am I right? We need others to do the same thing MammothReefer is doing to know exactly if it works properly or not.
From my experience I think it takes about 10 to 20 days for them to hatch for what its worth.

That may be the case but thats not what he advertised it to be. It says it kills pests and there eggs. To me that means no hatched eggs not sterile larvae

 

[buddythelion]

Great thread! I too have this product and would like to know if it works as advertised.

 

[yalpal]

I used it for the first time yesterday, and it is extremely potent. The guys at my LFS warned me to rinse off my corals well after dipping them. After following the directions, I rinsed off the corals in two separate buckets of fresh salt water from my tank. When I placed the corals back in my tank they looked better already. Unfortunately, even though I rinsed off my corals twice I lost all of five of my acro crabs in my tank on colonies that I didn't even dip. I also noticed a decent amount of pods floating around my tank. On a positive note, the dip knocked off a lot of red bugs, and the ones that were left on my corals weren't moving. I did dip quite a few frags and mini colonies, so maybe if I only dipped a few at a time, wouldn't have seen such a die off. Also, I do believe my pistol shrimp made it, I'm just bummed because I loved my acro crabs. Overall, I'm very impressed with the strength of the product and its effect on red bugs, just be careful when using it.

 

[MammothReefer]

I am keeping my hopes up for the dip to work, it would certainly change the hobby. Keep in mind just because the eggs don't look dead or even hatch does not mean that the hatched flatworms will make it. They may live for a while but they might just not be able to eat, or lay eggs or whatever. This is why MammothReefers (and others in his positions) testimony on how this product works is very valuable. He hasn't seen any come off from basting. MammothReefer have you seen this same thing when using the other products? So even if they hatch maybe they are just not able to know what an acropora is and travel around and starve. Who knows? I would assume the people that made the dip, but we have not heard from them about this...
I do not think anyone should say the product doesn't work if Aqua80's pics show them hatching. Am I right? We need others to do the same thing MammothReefer is doing to know exactly if it works properly or not.
From my experience I think it takes about 10 to 20 days for them to hatch for what its worth.

Typically I see them return to the same pieces again and again regardless if I dip or basted it until it appeared clean. So far none of the pieces I've dipped have had any signs of AEFW, no bite marks, none floating off when I baste, and no washed/grayed out colours. However I didn't dip every piece in my tank or even all the the usual suspects. It was the first time using a new product and I had some pieces that I didn't want to risk until I tried it first. Unfortunately one of those pieces (that was not dipped) does still have AEFW. I found them yesterday I think or maybe the day before. It hasn't spread to any other coral in the tank yet which I find interesting. Now that I used the product and am not worried about it nuking stuff I'm going to do a second round of dipping to get the pieces I missed and then also redip all the "usual" suspects and see what happens. I don't plan to dip any piece that has never shown any signs of AEFW (at least not at this time)

All due respect to MammothReefer but I dont think the comparison is relevent in the regards to the test that we are seeing here. (just too many variables) ie Cycle of AEFW in relation to dipping times and the sheer quantity of large health corals in Mammothes system.(too many places to hide

Heh..yah I have to agree. My posts on this should just be taken at face value. I didn't dip all my corals, or even all my typically infected corals. I dipped all corals that were unmounted to the rocks, all my frags in the frag tank, pieces I had dipped before (in other solutions that I knew were hardy and were infected), and delicate pieces that I had multiple frags of to see the effect of the dip on delicate corals. I am still rather impressed that I haven't seen any reinfections yet. I basted tonight and found nothing. I also never found any eggs in the first place so who knows where in the life cycle the AEFW were when I dipped everything. I could have just gotten very luckily and caught them right after a hatching before a new batch was laid. Like the rest of you I'm checking this thread every day to see what aqua80 posts next!

 

[JAustin]

Great thread. Thank you for putting this on the forums.

Tagging along.

 

[aqua80]

I used it for the first time yesterday, and it is extremely potent. The guys at my LFS warned me to rinse off my corals well after dipping them. After following the directions, I rinsed off the corals in two separate buckets of fresh salt water from my tank. When I placed the corals back in my tank they looked better already. Unfortunately, even though I rinsed off my corals twice I lost all of five of my acro crabs in my tank on colonies that I didn't even dip. I also noticed a decent amount of pods floating around my tank. On a positive note, the dip knocked off a lot of red bugs, and the ones that were left on my corals weren't moving. I did dip quite a few frags and mini colonies, so maybe if I only dipped a few at a time, wouldn't have seen such a die off. Also, I do believe my pistol shrimp made it, I'm just bummed because I loved my acro crabs. Overall, I'm very impressed with the strength of the product and its effect on red bugs, just be careful when using it.

to give us an idea what size is your tank/sump and do you run carbon ?
how big/how many colonies did you dipped ?

this stuff is though on inverts for sure !!

 

[yalpal]

It's a 180 gallon sps dominated tank. I didn't dip any of my larger colonies, just about 8 frags and 6 mini colonies. I don't run carbon either, and my skimmer was down at the time too. It happened pretty quickly, I was even sure to wash my hands thoroughly between dipping and placing them back in my display.

 

[Piper27]

I do also see your logic Piper and it does intrigue me and if the eggs do hatch I will continue keep up the test tank to see if they will eventualy lay eggs again or if the are indeed (sterile)

Yea let us know how that goes for sure! I am looking forward to seeing what the pictures show and if they hatch I am looking forward to see if they continue to devastate acros.

The eggs being destroyed by the dip is just as likely as them hatching and not living in my opinion. I do understand that your trying to prove what they say the product does which is certainly the first step.
Also I wasn't comparing MammothReefers dips to your test at all. I was just reminding people that just because they say it destroys the eggs doesn't really mean they need to explode in front of our eyes for the dip to be effective. In my opinion them hatching and not surviving is just as good as them not hatching. In no way am I trying to stir a pot either. I wish this product had came out when I had them so I could chip in with something other than my thoughts... Good luck guys!

 

[Chriskid]

did you try basting the eggs? if they do indeed die , they should just blow off.

 

[pelagic7]

update? I am anxious to see the pic of the day.

 

[madkeenreefer]

Yea let us know how that goes for sure! I am looking forward to seeing what the pictures show and if they hatch I am looking forward to see if they continue to devastate acros.

Today I added another AFWE free acro to my test tank. With all thing being equal I think that if the eggs do hatch I should see new FW on the second coral in the system within the month.

I wish this product had came out when I had them so I could chip in with something other than my thoughts... Good luck guys!

I am fortunate enought also to have the place in my house to keep a number of Qt tanks. I also have been fortunate enought to have some freinds that I know have AEFW in their system and were willing to donate to me for testing of this product.

Luckly I find it fun to do this kind of thing :dance: