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xpawn

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I'm looking to purchase sand and seed it with live sand to start my dsb,
this is what i found a home depot. I want to know if this sand can be used.

Quickrite premium play sand
the label indicates it can be used for building, molding.
Screened washed & dried.
It's a medium tan in color and very fine texture.
 
I personally would not use it. It is a silicate based sand and may cause a lot of issues with diatoms.

I would look to see if you can find any of the pavestone pulverised limestone. Its about the same price.

There is a thread on it somewhere in the COMAS forum if you look over the last months threads.
 
Thanks, Travis,

That was useful information.
I'll go with pulverized Limestone to be on the safe side If i can find where to get it.
 
Xpawn, Make sure you get Pavestone brand. There is another pulverized limestone that is like talcum powder. Way too small. It is in the garden section near the bags of mulch.
 
xpawn, i would use the agronite or limestone if you can find it and afford it, but i wouldn't worry at all about the silica sand either. I dose silicates in my tank daily. I have been experimenting with dosing silicates for almost a year now, and you can see deffinate growth bands on my clams when i have started and stopped the dosing. Yes silicates do cause diatoms ( although it is undetermined as to how much silica leaches out of silica based sand in a reef), but diatoms are also the base food source for your reef. If i could find silica based sand that was white and of a good grain size i would take out my sand and replace it with silica based sand.

A good example besides the growth bands is, when i dose the silicates, my snails lay eggs everywhere continuosly. When i stop dosing, after about 1 week, the eggs stop. Then when i restart the dosing, within 2 or 3 days the eggs start back again. This tells me that the silicates are producing an ample food source that the snails feel they have food to spare. Diatoms are not algae like hair algae, and really don't cause problems. If you have weak flow, you will get some on the sand, but with good flow, you don't even know they exist. I haven't had one speck of hair algae develope yet, and don't have to scrape my glass any more then normal with the dosing.
 
Thanks Russ and dugg,

I really appreciate all advice and information you guys have given me. I'll look for pavestone Brand Pulverized limestone. At HD.
 
dugg..

what concentration are you using, what dosage regimen and what concentration are you trying to achieve, maintain?

Thanks,

P
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7958992#post7958992 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pwhitby
dugg..

what concentration are you using, what dosage regimen and what concentration are you trying to achieve, maintain?

Thanks,

P

And where did you find it? I've been thinking about dosing this for a few months now.
 
Paul, I'm not sure of the concentration of the mix i am using. I am still using the bottle of potasium silicate that Wayne made for me. I dose 5 drops per day to the sump in a high flow area. I plan to use the water glass when this runs out, but at only 5 drops per day, with a few weeks and months that i didn't use it, to see what the difference really was, it goes a long way. While the results are really subtle as far as keeping up with the effects i have been impressed so far. I did get a brown dusting on the sand before raising my flow, but none at all now. You can see obvious growth spirts in the clams when i was going back and forth on dosing. Almost twice the growth rate with the silicates. The corals also darken in color, not brown, but darker more bold color. I haven't seen any effects like having to scrape the glass more often at all. I still scrape once per week and can go 2 or 3 if i get lazy.

I also saw a huge difference in the pod population with and without dosing. My pods exploded with the dosing and dwindle a bit during the non dosing time.

I'm not the detail science minded kind of guy lol. I can barely keep up with my keys, muchless concentrations and levels lol, but i would say that someone along your line of work, could learn to control the silicate levels in thier system to keep just the right amount of diatom growth, and have some really outstanding results from it.

My system is a 30 gallon display with a 30 gallon sump, and i dose 5 drops per day. Wayne was dosing a 140 with a 30 sump, and was dosing 20 drops per day. The growth lines in his montiporas was amazing when he was dosing as oposed to not dosing. The plates would get a ridge and almost double in thickness when the dosing started.

One thing i can tell you for sure, is there has not been one bad effect at all, only good.
 
I haven't talked to Wayne since the pump issue, but i'm sure if you were to email him he would gladdly share his recipe with you.
E-mail Wayne@WaynesPets.com He makes it himself using cement and some sort of acid. It didn't sound all that hard to make, but i have no idea what the process was. I was just going to find the water glass when this runs out.
 
By the way what Wayne makes is potassium silicate, not sodium silicate like the water glass. I don't think the sodium or potassium have much to do with it though.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7959151#post7959151 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pwhitby
Travis, you can use sodium silicate-(or as it is sometimes called "water glass").

Its a neat compound, you can "grow" crystals in a strong solution, and by that I mean they grow as you watch them. It used to be an old chemistry experiment often shown to kids.

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/07/21/magic-garden/

http://genchem.chem.wisc.edu/demonstrations/Gen_Chem_Pages/1819group1-8page/colorful_stalagmites.htm

I remember those! I should get some for the kiddos (and the tank)
 
I would really like to see someone more detail oriented that is keeping sps coral to do a study to find out what the dose should be for optimal benefit. With all of the other troubles i have had over the last year, my results are probably way below what they would have been without all of the disasters. I am lucky to have anything even alive with all that has gone wrong. Mostly crappy pumps. It could be a factor in not losing very much in the disasters having dosed the silicates and having a good food supply. I know my red brain had released from his skeleton all the way around on the last pump cooking that he took, which was pushing 90* when i found it. I thought he was dead for sure, but he has re attatched and started growing a new outer ridge.
 
Travis, the thread has moved around a lot since you asked me this but yes, I found Pavestone pulverized Limestone at a number of Home Depots. They sell it off pallets that are mostly in the outside garden area under the overhangs in the back. The store on West Reno had over a full pallet of it.
 
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