Scavdog

[one eye]

ohh Chuck. Still the victim I guess.
Victim by definition means "one hurt by an action beyond his control". Chuck you were warned several times. You were the one in control of your actions. I nor anyone else caused your behavior leading to your ban.

Chuck, you have always stated that things should be aired openly and not via pm. I aired it openly for you, but now you call it stalking. You made replies to me and I in turn replied to you. Because you did not mention me specifically does not mean you didn't reply to me.

Your ban was voted on BEFORE our incident on the other forum. You were going to be contacted that day that you were being banned. I suppose I should have just left it well enough alone and just let your ban be carried out. You brought out issues that had been discussed with you privately. You dragged them into open forums. I replied. I would do it again. Now you bring them up again....who's doing the stalking?

As far as your support....um...you've been banned there big guy....guess no ones looking for your support any way.

I'm a coward and a bully? That is just plain comical. Your the only one I see hiding behind a key board.

As I stated to you before. You have been banned here on RC (obviously they restored you) now you've been banned on the other forum. Two completely different forums with two completely different governing bodies. Do you really believe it's every one else's fault and not your own?
Chuck it is you! You continuously push to the edge of being banned, you get warned and chill out for a while....then repeat the behavior again. It caught up to you, you were banned. Didn't you realize from the lack of support you got during your PM campaign that the rest of the membership supported your ban? The simple fact that the people you were contacting looking for support were contacting us and telling us about your behind the scenes crusade might be an indication.

As was told to you before. If you accept your time off from the forum. Behave as a mature adult (which this is NOT an example of) for your time away. You can be reinstated in the forum, provided you agree to behave in a civil fashion. IE, no insulting our guest speakers, especially while they are here in town. No insulting other members...including the mods and bod. You need to realize that the club and associated forums are for the enjoyment of all members and will not be catered to fit your individual desires.

Marvin, sorry to high jack. I hope this thread can return to it's intended purpose and get off of one persons selfish babble.

Good luck in Fla and I'll miss ya man!!

 

[joefitz]

Marvin, hmn, not exactly sure what is going on. I would have thought you could rejoined using a new member ID once the IP ban was off. In any case, I have unbanned your tstone account, so you should be able to log back in using that (if you can remember the password!).

Drop me an email if you are still having access problems.

 

[tstone]

Joe Fitz and Moe
Thank you guys very much. I have certainly missed being able to hang with everyone over there.

I will drink a cool one in your names.

 

[spyro]

Response

Response

I never said I was a victim. Those are your words.

No, I was not warned that I would be banned.

As far as stalking, perhaps you should consult the dictionary to find the definition, since you clearly do not know what it means. Yes I do believe in open conversation....to a point. However, my conversation with you was not on a level and fair playing field. You had no worries of being banned and you thus could post freely without concern. I was not afforded the same privilege. Even after I asked you to leave me alone, ignored you and asked several moderators to moderate you, you continued to stalk and harass me on threads that had nothing to do with you. You also posted insults on a CLOSED thread after I was banned. Those are the reasons you are a coward and bully.....you used your position of power and priveleges to assault and attack me while I could not REALLY tell you what I think of you. As far as my reply to Peter is concerned, your response to it proves that you continue to stalk me and you show no remorse whatsoever about your previous reprehensible behavior on the BRS Forum

As far as my support, I have been banned from the forum NOT from the club membership. There is a difference.

Yes you are a coward and a bully. You were entrusted with the VP of PR for the BRS and you abused this position by using the power that this position affords to harrass a member without regard or without responsibility or having to answer for your behavior. I am not hiding from anyone. I chose not to take your phone calls because I knew that I would be wasting my time....something you seem to have a lot of on your hands and something I do not have in great surplus. Even Joe Scavo and Moe think that the situation was not handled properly.

First, the banning on RC has absolutely nothing to do with the BRS banning. Bringing this up again shows your disregard for others and the fact that you will say or do anything in an attempt to prove your points. Second, I was banned by Ron Shimek, who, in my opinion is an arrogant, misinformed, cranky old man and who's theories and experimentation methods are unfounded at best. He has since been booted from RC with good reason, in my opinion.

I completely disagree on both bannings. I don't think anyone should be banned without consulting the members. Banning should only be implemented in rare, serious situations. The members were consulted and asked about Marvin and Rob's reinstatement, which is the right way to do things. I have support from many members including several BRS officers. The fact that a few members contacted the BOD is of no conern to me. I was succesful in gaining support but discontinued it for two reasons. The first is that I was simply unable to efficiently get e-mail addresses for many people. I was spending way too much time finding people on the internet and I therefore decided it was a waste of time. The second reason that I stopped soliciting support for a member vote was that Joe Scavo asked me not to continue. He called me and we talked for an hour and I decided to take his suggestion to call it off.

As far as insulting members or BOD, you are guilty of that yourself and you were not banned. Why were you not banned? I may speak in criticism of the BOD or the guest speakers and I believe that criticism is important and should be allowed in the forum. You do not make the rules, in fact you yourself break them often, so don't lecture me on the rules. The problems with your statements regarding rules is that they are interpreted differently for different members: I was banned and you were not; an insult to one person is a joke to another; criticism for one person is an insult for another. The rules don't work and they seem to be applied differently at the whim of the moderators or the BOD, etc., in my opinion.

In closing, I have made my points and will not respond to any further postings from you. You show no remorse for your irresponsible actions and seem to think that "you being right" and the "rules" are more important than BRS members. You and the current BOD believe that some people should be banned and others can say and do what they please without regard for BRS members. Therefore there is no more to talk about as far as I am concerned.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7182033#post7182033 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by one eye
ohh Chuck. Still the victim I guess.
Victim by definition means "one hurt by an action beyond his control". Chuck you were warned several times. You were the one in control of your actions. I nor anyone else caused your behavior leading to your ban.

Chuck, you have always stated that things should be aired openly and not via pm. I aired it openly for you, but now you call it stalking. You made replies to me and I in turn replied to you. Because you did not mention me specifically does not mean you didn't reply to me.

Your ban was voted on BEFORE our incident on the other forum. You were going to be contacted that day that you were being banned. I suppose I should have just left it well enough alone and just let your ban be carried out. You brought out issues that had been discussed with you privately. You dragged them into open forums. I replied. I would do it again. Now you bring them up again....who's doing the stalking?

As far as your support....um...you've been banned there big guy....guess no ones looking for your support any way.

I'm a coward and a bully? That is just plain comical. Your the only one I see hiding behind a key board.

As I stated to you before. You have been banned here on RC (obviously they restored you) now you've been banned on the other forum. Two completely different forums with two completely different governing bodies. Do you really believe it's every one else's fault and not your own?
Chuck it is you! You continuously push to the edge of being banned, you get warned and chill out for a while....then repeat the behavior again. It caught up to you, you were banned. Didn't you realize from the lack of support you got during your PM campaign that the rest of the membership supported your ban? The simple fact that the people you were contacting looking for support were contacting us and telling us about your behind the scenes crusade might be an indication.

As was told to you before. If you accept your time off from the forum. Behave as a mature adult (which this is NOT an example of) for your time away. You can be reinstated in the forum, provided you agree to behave in a civil fashion. IE, no insulting our guest speakers, especially while they are here in town. No insulting other members...including the mods and bod. You need to realize that the club and associated forums are for the enjoyment of all members and will not be catered to fit your individual desires.

Marvin, sorry to high jack. I hope this thread can return to it's intended purpose and get off of one persons selfish babble.

Good luck in Fla and I'll miss ya man!!

 

[Marco67]

Damn,
Just reading through this for the first time......it's getting all warm and fuzzy "thinking group hug is coming" But there's this annoying crying and screaming in the back ground...... anyone else hear it?

 

[one eye]

Marco...man, unfortunately I hear it to loudly!

It does crack me up though....this is how he ignored me on the other forum as well...by referencing me and calling me names like a kindergarten student.....while of course ignoring me and just replying to someone else's posts. Matter of fact, he had made accusations towards me, then in another post he states he's been ignoring me for hours....the post are 4 minutes apart!! AND on the same page of the same thread!! To funny! Oh and I added insults after the thread was closed, we all know that only the administrators can access closed threads...I am not an administrator. I am not even a moderator! We all know, I GET moderated just as often as anyone else Anyone wearing string to the next meeting?
As far as the comments about banning, I agree 100% with him that bans should only be given in extreme cases....funny how there have been 5 bans given in the history of the club. 5 bans and 4 people....he has now been banned twice...of course he didn't cause either of his bans, it's a greater conspiracy than the Kennedy assassination!!
One last thing I'll make a comment towards. He states in his last post that he asked the mods to moderate me. Go back and read the thread, I think it was on page one that he states very clearly for the mods NOT to moderate our discussion, he wanted it all out in the open....guess he changed his mind when I posted links to his own prior comments....so yes, he does want open conversation, until it is openly proven that he is a liar...he wants that to be discussed privately.
It truely is very sad.

 

[stang8s]

I had just typed out a long thing but instead erased it and will just agree "very sad"

 

[tstone]

Darren he won't stop so you are better off just putting him on the ignore list.

he is not worth the aggravation or effort. You certainly have bigger and better things to do.

 

[one eye]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7186428#post7186428 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tstone
You certainly have bigger and better things to do.

Hey!! Watch it Marvin...my girl friend lost alot of weight!!

 

[Marco67]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7188467#post7188467 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by one eye
Hey!! Watch it Marvin...my girl friend lost alot of weight!!

There's a new one?
Bring on the story Bud .....enough with the holding out!

 

[joefitz]

Chuck,

I seriously hope you can find the courage to examine your own behavior in a more neutral way. You always seem to find ways to blame other people for the predicaments your own behavior puts you in. If you want to be able to participate in communities like the BRS you will need to change your behavior. I hope you can understand I'm offering this advice in utter sincerity and am not trying to be condescending. You simply don't seem to be able to behave cordially, on a consistent basis, online.

As I mentioned in my lengthy emails to you, there are many reasons why banning is not an appropriate decision for the membership at large and specifically why this is exactly the type of decision that the BOD exists to make.

You were not singled out for any personal reason; your behavior was a consistent problem. You had been banned previously. You did know continued problems would result in another ban. You never ignored Darren and in fact, continued to instigate debate with him. Darren defended himself and the BRS leadership which you repeatedly attacked.

I can't speak for Scavo or Moe, but I wish the situation had been handled a bit differently as well. But I don't have any confidence that the end result would have been any different. Until you find a way to alter your behavior, you will continue to run into these types of problems.

Best wishes and happy reefing,

Joe

 

[moe_k]

I'm not going to indulge this never ending saga.
Move on, man. You sent a big email saying you wanted no part of the group. So live with your decision. Move on.

 

[spyro]

I Sincerely Disagree

I Sincerely Disagree

Hi Joe,

First, I DO understand where you are coming from. The moderators are unpaid and have lots of work to do and keeping their work to a minimum is an important goal for the BRS Forum.

As to "behaving cordially", I have witnessed many members behaving in ways that are not cordial on a consistent basis but do not seem to get banned.


Examples:

Yaktop to another member: That is a stupid thing to do.

? to me: People telling me to shove the thermometer up my xss and joking that it should be bigger in a thread that I was dicussing temperature standards.

? to me: Defaming Greeks and what they "Do" to each other.

One Eye: Discussing in appropriate sexually oriented material regarding his sex life

One Eye: Stalking me (you know the story here)

I have many more examples of such behavior and continual behavior by members that, to me , is much worse that my posts. Yet these people are allowed to continue to post. Why does the BRS BOD not see this? Actually, I don't think people should be banned for any of these. I think maybe somoe of it should have benn moderated, maybe.


I understand that I was not banned for any personal reasons but I think that the bannings in my cases were inappropriate, especially when other members have behaved much worse online, in my opinion. I still do not know specifically why I was banned. I believe that I did not attack anyone but instead offered some criticism of the way the BOD has been runing things and also criticism of a planned speaker. Darren was just as guilty as I was, in fact more so in my opinion. If the BRS BOD is serious about cutting back on the mod workload and uniformly and fairly applying rules, then the officers should be held to a higher standard than members, I defended myself when Darren stalked me and when I ignored him he kept going even after I asked Moe, the mods and Darren himself to leave me alone. He even continued posting "poems" and "condescending comments" on the CLOSED thread AFTER I was banned, and you tell me I AM GUILTY of innapropriate behavior? All of the above DOES point to singling me out, but that is unimportant.

To conclude, I am not concerned about being singled out but I would hope that any rules would be enforced equally among the membership. In the case between Darren and me they were not. Period. Also, I do not feel that banning was the apporpriate action in my case. The threads, posts, etc could have been deleted, closed, etc. the way they are for other members. In fact I do not think banning should be used so loosely but only in rare situations that include threatening violence towards a member, racial slurs/jokes, posting inappropriate sexually oriented material, and maybe a few other rare cases.

As far as courage is concerned, the BOD should have the courage to let people express themselves in a free and open manner as long as no one is hurt by it. Let's face it no one was hurt by my comments and posts, except ME! I lost my posting priveleges for no reason whatsoever, in my opinion. Other members I talk to agree, and will remain nameless for obvious reasons. You guys are way to serious about controlling, editing, moderating members....after all it is only a fish club isn't it? If people don't like what is posted, why do they read it all and follow it so closely when an "explosive" thread happens? Why don't they just "move on" to another thread? Who gets hurt by a little constructive criticism and a different point of view? No one.

Moe, I WOULD like to put this behind me. So when can I begin posting again? A year, Two years, Never? This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and shows what happens when people get a little power and can't handle it, in my opinion. I am sick of being told it is me. The reasons were cited above and include other deplorable behavior that is both inapropriate and has nothing to do with reefing but gets onto the forum and is allowed without banning.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7188726#post7188726 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joefitz
Chuck,

I seriously hope you can find the courage to examine your own behavior in a more neutral way. You always seem to find ways to blame other people for the predicaments your own behavior puts you in. If you want to be able to participate in communities like the BRS you will need to change your behavior. I hope you can understand I'm offering this advice in utter sincerity and am not trying to be condescending. You simply don't seem to be able to behave cordially, on a consistent basis, online.

As I mentioned in my lengthy emails to you, there are many reasons why banning is not an appropriate decision for the membership at large and specifically why this is exactly the type of decision that the BOD exists to make.

You were not singled out for any personal reason; your behavior was a consistent problem. You had been banned previously. You did know continued problems would result in another ban. You never ignored Darren and in fact, continued to instigate debate with him. Darren defended himself and the BRS leadership which you repeatedly attacked.

I can't speak for Scavo or Moe, but I wish the situation had been handled a bit differently as well. But I don't have any confidence that the end result would have been any different. Until you find a way to alter your behavior, you will continue to run into these types of problems.

Best wishes and happy reefing,

Joe

 

[spyro]

Oh sorry Moe, I really misread your comment.

You asked me to move on with my decision that I wanted no part of the BRS. Yes, that is true in its current form. But I would like to think that things can change for the better of everyone. It is with the leadership I was referring to, not the general membership.

 

[spyro]

Yeah Right

Yeah Right

Get a life Darren. At least I admit when I am wrong, aplologize for it and can stay off of the computer for more than 10 minutes a day.
You hide behind the authority and rules of the BRS, twist them around to suit your needs, refuse to admit you were wrong and still can't find the courage to admit you had a part in what happened...in fact an equal part. As long as you and others like you run the club, then yes I want nothing to do with it. But I can't sit back and listen to your lies and sophomoric innuendos and will continue to let people know my views on the club in the hope that they will affect change or cahnges for the better.

You are the one who is in a sad state. It is really sad that you have been given the responsibility of VP PR of the BRS. You clearly continue to demonstrate that you can't handle it. You are the liar and the manipulater. You knew I had flatworms previously in my system. In fact I posted a flateworm saga for the last year or so, so everyone knew. I did not know that they were capable of being tranferred to soft corals at the time. Neither did you, you but you blamed me for it. So you STILL buy a frag from me. Then you whine about getting flatworms from my tank. Again, you clearly abused your authority during our "discussions" on the BRS forum and continue to take absolutely no responsibility for it.

 

[spyro]

No

No

Obviously, he does not have more important things to do.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7186428#post7186428 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tstone
Darren he won't stop so you are better off just putting him on the ignore list.

he is not worth the aggravation or effort. You certainly have bigger and better things to do.

 

[spyro]

Response

Response

You did behave like a kindergarten student, and that is not a strong enough charachterization for your behavior. You continue here with your accusations and insults. You could not ignore me if you tried because you are a coward.

Armando reported that you posted on a CLOSED thread and was thanked by the mods. I would post the link but it is not easy when you can't search.

You continue to put words in my mouth: Kennedy conspiracy, not taking blame.....these are your words not mine. I apologized, you did not. You are incapable of admitting you were wrong and fail to take responsibility for your actions.

You continue to point towards my old threads in an attemtp to prove me out as a liar. I posted more about my flatworm problems than anyone. I gave updates periodically regarding the infestation. Yes I got a few of the dates mixed up, but I NEVER lied.

Yes I do believe in airing things out in the open, until someone abuses others as you did. I have NEVER been treated worse online by anyone, including Ron Shimek, than by you. You clearly have a problem since you can't admit you are just as guilty as I was in the "argument thread".

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7186271#post7186271 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by one eye
Marco...man, unfortunately I hear it to loudly!

It does crack me up though....this is how he ignored me on the other forum as well...by referencing me and calling me names like a kindergarten student.....while of course ignoring me and just replying to someone else's posts. Matter of fact, he had made accusations towards me, then in another post he states he's been ignoring me for hours....the post are 4 minutes apart!! AND on the same page of the same thread!! To funny! Oh and I added insults after the thread was closed, we all know that only the administrators can access closed threads...I am not an administrator. I am not even a moderator! We all know, I GET moderated just as often as anyone else Anyone wearing string to the next meeting?
As far as the comments about banning, I agree 100% with him that bans should only be given in extreme cases....funny how there have been 5 bans given in the history of the club. 5 bans and 4 people....he has now been banned twice...of course he didn't cause either of his bans, it's a greater conspiracy than the Kennedy assassination!!
One last thing I'll make a comment towards. He states in his last post that he asked the mods to moderate me. Go back and read the thread, I think it was on page one that he states very clearly for the mods NOT to moderate our discussion, he wanted it all out in the open....guess he changed his mind when I posted links to his own prior comments....so yes, he does want open conversation, until it is openly proven that he is a liar...he wants that to be discussed privately.
It truely is very sad.

 

[spyro]

Black Kettle

Black Kettle

Look who is calling the kettle black. I think that you were involved in one of the 5 bannings, right?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7186428#post7186428 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tstone
Darren he won't stop so you are better off just putting him on the ignore list.

he is not worth the aggravation or effort. You certainly have bigger and better things to do.

 

[Marco67]

Chuck Please ...this is just sad,
This is getting painful, nobody cares....Take a deep breath while you still have a shred of dignity

 

[spyro]

Huh?

Huh?

Hi Marco,

Sorry to hear about your shop closing.

I am really not trying to perpetuate anything here, but I feel that there are 2 sides of the story. Whether you choose to agree is up to you.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7189951#post7189951 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Marco67
Chuck Please ...this is just sad,
This is getting painful, nobody cares....Take a deep breath while you still have a shred of dignity