Score!!

[returnofsid]

yes it was quite upsetting to find u snaked this from under me

wont be asking you for buying advise again called you to see if it was a good deal and you ran over and bought it from under me
but i got the rest of the tank

Dave, that's complete hogwash and you know it. You did call me, and ask about some corals, then later, you came over and asked about some corals. If you remember, you specifically asked about, what you called a "Blue Staghorn," and an A. cerealis, BOTH of which you purchased from him! Let me refresh your memory. I explained to you that LOTS of Acropora corals were referred to as "Staghorn," and that it didn't identify the species, but identified the "growth form." You replied, "well, if I Google 'Blue Stag,' that exact corals comes up. Yes, he had a beautiful A. cerealis and a nice blue staghorn, both of which you purchased. No where, in either conversation, was an Oregon Tort mentioned. In fact, you say you called me to "see if it was a good deal," yet you never told me any prices, so how was I to advise you if it was a "good deal," or not. The conversation was actually you calling to ask me if you purchased the Blue Stag and A. cerealis, if you'd be able to frag them up and make money, selling the frags. I explained that I couldn't answer, without knowing what you meant, by "Blue Stag." You also asked how much money you could make, fragging and selling his large Green w/purple rimmed Montipora cap, and I told you that you might be able to give it away.


Any of that ring a bell?

Oh and it seems to me, you did call me, after all this took place, for purchasing advice, when your lights fell in your pond and you need new lights. I believe I gave you excellent advice, which netted you a steal on a very good lighting replacement set up. Those new lights will help you grow out corals, even faster, so your chop shop can be more profitable.

Oh yeah, you also asked how much money you could make, fragging and selling a "Basketball sized" colony of Green Slimer. I told you that most people give that away, too.

Yes, I did buy a couple of his corals, after seeing his ad on Craigslist, and making contact with him, ya know, Craigslist...that place that all of the world can see?


Nice of you to make your first post here, after 2 years of membership, just to bash me. We'll see how far that gets you, in this community. I'll refrain from "bashing back."

 

[eltemeble]

wrong

wrong

i called u and you did tell me all this and u invited me to come over because you had to many corals and then after i told you what i was looking at you went and found the person and bought it. i said it was blue and didn't know it was a tort instead of stag there was no stag and when i told you of the size and the green and purple rim monti on same rock

the lights i found and asked if they are good and you said yes thanx

i believe you knew exactly what you where doing pretend mad or not you know exactly where i was going and buying the whole tank then i even called to ask if you had an extra bucket to pick them up and told you im on the way there and you still didn't tell me you went and got it i had to find out it was the very person i asked for advice that went ad picked it up

or are you saying it was all coincidence?

 

[returnofsid]

i called u and you did tell me all this and u invited me to come over because you had to many corals and then after i told you what i was looking at you went and found the person and bought it. i said it was blue and didn't know it was a tort instead of stag there was no stag

I see a blue stag, on the left hand side of his tank. The same blue stag you purchased. The same blue stag that, when you were here, you pointed to a similar coral in my tank, as a comparison. This same photo is at the top of this thread. I took these photos of his tank.

I did invite you over, because you were visiting one of my neighbors. I never said I had too many corals in my tank...lol.

the lights i found and asked if they are good and you said yes thanx

You're very welcome. It's a great lighting system that will suite your purposes, quite well.

or are you saying it was all coincidence?

I'm not mad at all.

I'm not saying it's all a coincidence. You're making it sound like you found some "secret stash" of corals, clued me in on the secret and I bought it out from under you. The fact is, he had his add posted on Craigslist, for all the world to see, for 2 days, before you ever contacted me. I'd seen the add, I'd emailed him about his add, he'd sent me photos.

YES, I did go buy the Oregon Tort, and spent a pretty penny on it. I also don't plan on turning it into 50 frags, to make a quick buck. I've given away 1 frag, to a close friend, and will be selling 2 frags. As one of your friends told you, if you don't buy it, someone else will. I had no idea you'd been given that advice, until that very friend told me, while here, not 45 minutes ago.

You asked me about a Blue Stag, which you purchased.
You asked me about a Green Slimer, which you purchased.
You asked me about an A. cerealis, which you purchased.
You asked me about a Green w/Purple Rimmed cap, which you didn't purchase and wouldn't have been able to make any money off of anyway. The whole conversation was about asking how much money you could make, buying colonies, fragging them up and reselling them. You've already fragged alot of them up. That's known as a "chop shop," and won't get you far, in this hobby.

Your attempt to bash me, on your very first post, in 2 years of membership, won't go unnoticed. My reputation speaks for itself, as will yours.

I'm done with this conversation. I hope you are, as well. Otherwise, this thread will get closed, rather quickly. I'd rather not see that happen.

 

[Pallobi]

lol, and now i am pretty sure he is chopping it up and selling frags on the big board here LOL... good thing he got a deal and is gonna make some money off it now... great hobby ethics

also citing he "needs to make room" so he is selling frags... LMAO

 

[returnofsid]

lol, and now i am pretty sure he is chopping it up and selling frags on the big board here LOL... good thing he got a deal and is gonna make some money off it now... great hobby ethics

Says the guy who created 5 threads, selling things, in 2 days, 9 threads in 10 days recently???

You're "pretty sure," huh?

I've given away 1 frag and am selling 2. That's far from "chopping it up." That's also not "making money off it now..." since it accounts for a drop in the bucket, compared to the price I paid, which is neither here nor there...

As for my "hobby ethics," please read through more than 1 of my many threads, before making that type of conclusion.

 

[Pallobi]

so it was a score? or you paid alot for it? forgive me if i am convused, but its a bit suspect when a couple days later your selling overpriced frags on the big board... they call that flipping... anything i sold had been grown from a small frag or one polyp in my system, and any gear had been mine and paid for in full at one point or another... clearly not what your doing as you jus obtained it and are now fragging it out... chop chop

 

[returnofsid]

I did pay a lot of money for it, but feel it's well worth it. How many times do you come across a colony of such a nice coral, instead of frags. To me, that's a "score."

I did post some corals for sale, including 2 frags of this colony. Nothing at all wrong with that. Most everything I have ever sold has grown out in my system, from tiny frags, as well.

 

[dzhuo]

I think what eltemeble is upset about is the fact that he views you as a mentor, teacher and friend for a long time and doesn't expect you to purchase a coral he's interested after pro-longed discussion (his intention of keeping it, or chopping it up is another topic) with you. On top of that, he seems to be upset that even when you know you are going to buy the coral, you didn't tell him anything about that. He talks to you openly but you keep him in the dark.

Side note: I would have keep the tort for a little longer, make sure the coral recover from the transfer and then if you want, start selling off the extra. It's a pretty big colony and it's not exactly an easy coral. Continue to frag it might add more stress after the initial transfer.

Sure is a nice coral tho.

 

[returnofsid]

I think what eltemeble is upset about is the fact that he views you as a mentor, teacher and friend for a long time and doesn't expect you to purchase a coral he's interested after pro-longed discussion (his intention of keeping it, or chopping it up is another topic) with you. On top of that, he seems to be upset that even when you know you are going to buy the coral, you didn't tell him anything about that. He talks to you openly but you keep him in the dark.

Side note: I would have keep the tort for a little longer, make sure the coral recover from the transfer and then if you want, start selling off the extra. It's a pretty big colony and it's not exactly an easy coral. Continue to frag it might add more stress after the initial transfer.

Sure is a nice coral tho.

You don't know near the entire story. As far as I know, Dave has never viewed me as any of the above. At least he's never led me to believe that. He has called me, a couple of times, in the past couple of years, wanting to buy corals. However, he never wants to buy frags. He always wants to buy colonies, so he can cut them up and sell them. He's made that very clear to me, several times. So, due to this, we've only had a couple dealings, with one another, over the past 3 years, but that's it. I have gone to his home, to take pictures of his corals, for a website he was planning to start, to sell corals, recently. Don't know if that'd be considered "mentoring," or not. It was for his website, on which he plans to profit.

I honestly did not know he'd planned on purchasing that coral. He'd told me of the 4 corals he intended to purchase. The Tort was not one of them. He purchased 3 of those corals that he told me about, along with a large colony of Green Millipora, that he hadn't mentioned, though I wasn't aware that he'd planned this. I wasn't aware of it, until seeing some of the corals, now fragged, the next day, in one of his friend's tanks. He'd already fragged some of them all up. Also, when he called me, asking to borrow buckets, he said he was going to buy some corals from a guy. He didn't tell me who, or what corals. As far as I knew, Dave had already purchased corals from the same guy that I did. The day I purchased the Tort, the owner told me that Dave had already purchased corals from him.

I can take a photo, right now, of the colony, and you'll see that it's still a completely colony. 1 frag was made, accidentally, while placing the colony in my tank, 2 frag have been cut, though you can't even tell.

I'd challenge Dave to show current photos of the large colonies he purchased, that are still intact, including the Green Slimer, "Blue Stag," A. cerealis, and Green Millepora. I can guarantee you, it'll be easier for him to show photos of lots of frags, from these beautiful colonies, that he purchased, about 4 days ago. You can see the colonies, in the photos I posted, at the beginning of this thread, to compare to any photos that either of us post.

 

[ati70cutlass]

wow im glad this guy isnt trying to bash me. being a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu i would have to say "bring it on , its sleepy time."

 

[Pallobi]

wow im glad this guy isnt trying to bash me. being a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu i would have to say "bring it on , its sleepy time."

thats a pretty ridiculous thing to say considering we are all sitting behind keyboards... you go karate kid! LMAO

 

[gooberz]

thats a pretty ridiculous thing to say considering we are all sitting behind keyboards... you go karate kid! LMAO

LOL :fun4:

 

[dvanacker]

hmmm.....well this thread took a strange turn didn't it.

 

[returnofsid]

thats a pretty ridiculous thing to say considering we are all sitting behind keyboards... you go karate kid! LMAO

On that, we're in agreement!! lol

hmmm.....well this thread took a strange turn didn't it.

Sure did. So, let's see if we can get it back on track...

Any others out there, who've found the "find of your dreams?" I'd bring up the show size Purple Tang, I picked up, a few years ago, for $40.00. However, it died in my tank crash a couple years ago, so it'd just be sad...lol.

 

[BrassMonkey]

Lol its either not cool or coincidence. lemme get my popcorn

 

[Pallobi]

Any others out there, who've found the "find of your dreams?" I'd bring up the show size Purple Tang, I picked up, a few years ago, for $40.00. However, it died in my tank crash a couple years ago, so it'd just be sad...lol.

aside from the nonsense and all the keyboard-kung fu fighting (pun intended)...

sorry to hear that, i would be pretty bummed if i lost mine "out of the blue", as it was also my purple tang that i found to be that "great score" one gets every once in a great while... i went to a LFS of mine, and there was this purple tang who was supposedly in a 30g for nearly 10 months i was told... (i dont care more most LFS's whatsoever for many reasons btw)... it was oxygen deprived and extremely nutrition deprived along with some of the worst head rot and HLLE i have seen... took him home, fed him lots of nutritional and vitamin enriched goodies and within 1 month, he was basically back to 100% and looking fat and 99% healed... since he was in such bad shape, i got him for about 3 frags of some silly zoas making him basically free so i was very happy about that whole situation as his retail sale was marked at $185 :thumbsup:

and again, sorry to hear about yours...

 

[ati70cutlass]

thats a pretty ridiculous thing to say considering we are all sitting behind keyboards... you go karate kid! LMAO

well since everyone sits behind keyboards here is some proof of what i speak. this is from a week trip to Puerto Rico last week to train with Silvio Behring from Brazil.

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[israel.kendall]

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[returnofsid]

Where's the GIF of Kung Fu Baby, when you need it?

Seriously? You're resorting to making veiled interwebz threats and what you'd do in a similar situation? Do you seriously think that, or your photos, contribute to this thread, in any way, shape, or form?

 

[msp307]

Lmao oops just spilled my popcorn