Seio`s Multicontroller

Guess I should unsubscribe to this thread if people are going to just keep bashing the SEIO products instead of posting pertinent info about the controller...

Apparently the controller is already junk and it hasn't even been used by anyone yet... why don't we reserve judgement til after its been put in use..

If you already have SEIOs, its alot cheaper to get the controller then to go back and get Tunze powerheads and a tunze controller-- so its a little bit more then a $30 difference.

BUt once again... if you don't want SEIO products-- feel free NOT to purchase them.... free markets in action...
 
Many people have invested so much money in Tunze that it appears to be like the car situation - the more money you invest the more likely you are to promote it (like the 'you have to have MH to be successfull'...). Or any other product people spend a lot of money on.
 
goda,

your post makes me laugh.....I almost went and bought a Tunzie and did the math and its just not worth it.I opted to go SEIO`s since I have one working flawlessly but it always seems that posts about a competitively priced product,will come with negative comments from others.

Yesterday after getting the news that the controller will be late for arrival :( I called the local Tunzie authorized dealer to go buy a TS48 kit ....since I will need it ASAP for the new tank. The 2 dealers in Montreal,Quebec wasn't even able to have a TS48 kit between the two of them they dont carry much tunzie stock,and these are two of the main dealers in the Montreal area.

This brought me back to earth!
Thank God! for common sense and basic math!After remembering that 4 x 6100 at 399.99 each and 295.00 for the controller would cost me a total $1895.00 not including tax!

The SEIO Kit 4x 2600 at 125.00 each 2 controllers at $200.00 each.... is still less than "HALF "the price at 900$ for the kit, and now I have control over all pumps to me this is the SMARTER buy.

I have seen many beautiful tanks run on Tunzies and just as many on SEIOS.

What it comes down to is Choice some want to buy Tunzie and some wants a affordable alternative.
 
hmm your math seems a lil messed up

1 power head 1 controler. im not talking multiple systems. of course tunzes more hwen you do it that way. it gives you more control

reefsalt since you seem to have contract with tamm wanna check if they plant o every independently controll the powerheads.
then and only then would i consider it over tunze. it dosnt seem like it would cost them much more to do.
i personaly dont use either product. i do have a tunze skimmer .
but for flow i use good old external pumps

if you already have a sio then this IS a good option if you dont. then cough up the 30 extra bucks and get somthing you will KNOW youll love
 
you would need 4 controllers that would be 800 bucks. not 2 at 400

remember controler cant control 2 PH's tunze can control 4 seperatly then even more if you dont mind several doing the same thing
ill email the company later and ask if they plan to change anything

im not trying to bash taam but am just wanting poeple to make a smarter choice that they will be happy with in the long run
 
Hi Godia,

two controllers are more than effcient,since you place pumps from different controllers,example pump 1,2 (left Side) 3,4 (right side) would be set up this way:

Controller 1 will have pumps 1 and 3
Controller 2 will have pumps 2 and 4

This is an ideal setup because they will be increasing and decreasing on opposite sides. Food for thought there is no PROOF that the Tunzie controller set with the individual pumps changes anything for corals health to me PROOF is people with different setups be it maxi-jets and wavemakers,ocean in motions or seaswirls on a closed loop, wavey sea(new) and other types of water movement achive fantastic results .

To say that Tunzie is the only way is wrong.
Especially if your trying to say a Tunzie TS48kit at a price tag of $ 1900.00 is only......30$ less..... than a SEIO kit I think you best check your calculator.

Even if I add 4 controllers to do exactly what the Tunzies does (which most users have them running like the SEIO setup I will do) the SEIO is still less go figure.

godia, please dont take it as an attack,I just want to make it clear that there is other options that are not as expensive also TUNZIES do have there problems to and is not a problem free unit they are well designed and I like expensive German hardware,I just dont belive of that type of difference for water movement if we were talking about a skimmer thats where I would spend the big bucks lol.

Take Care
Rob
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7445750#post7445750 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Obi-dad
Many people have invested so much money in Tunze that it appears to be like the car situation - the more money you invest the more likely you are to promote it (like the 'you have to have MH to be successfull'...). Or any other product people spend a lot of money on.
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You noticed that too. :D
 
well said reefsalt. people need to get over the tunze thing. sure they are a great product, but too expensive for most. controlling each pump 'individually' sounds nice, but in practice your corals arent benefitting much more if at all from it. I'd argue that 2 pumps controlled together pointing in the same direction creates a more chaotic flow that gets sps polyps swaying back and forth instead of in ove direction. read this thread about what calfo said about flow. not saying he's right but at least he's not saying you HAVE to buy tunze's

http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum...8-calfos-2-hour-speach-tornonto-whatever.html

did anybody see the new magnet holders that marinedepot is selling. i think they're made by a third party, but they have models that work for the different models of seios and some for maxijets.
 
"To say that Tunzie is the only way is wrong.
Especially if your trying to say a Tunzie TS48kit at a price tag of $ 1900.00 is only......30$ less..... than a SEIO kit I think you best check your calculator."

never said that. anyways. lets agree the price tag on tunze isnt that much more, and its still comparing apples to oranges. im extreamly disapointed with the lack of control these things offer. but if you look at taam history. they never care what teh consumer wants

btw somthings about sieos they seem to make a cone shaped flow with almost no flow in the center of the flow < or is that just on the lowest end model

im starting to consider sio again because some one is offering me 2 seio power heads free. ( if i already have the heads. heck yes its cheeper then tunze) is any one going to be taking pre orders on these things? do you think it would be wise to wait a while before getting one so all bugs can be worked out
( god knows if you buy it and have aproblom you wont get any help from taam)


anyways im just gonna follow this thread until i see somthing so dumb that i need to respond
such as this
"TUNZIES do have there problems to and is not a problem free unit they are well designed and I like expensive German hardware,"

yea they have probloms. but they help you way more then taam does

i think TAAM should get a sponsor fourm here on RC it may help there customer service a bit

reefsalt next time you talk to them why dont you mention that. it would be a good move for a company with such a bad rep (leaking power heads. no CS. ) i think alot more people would buy the cheeper and less reliable stuff if they knew they could get help when it quits
 
Goda, I hardly think you are the arbiter of idiocy -- read your own posts. You are almost incoherent -- to wit calling a statement "dumb" that mentions Tunze are not problem free. Your presentation of ideas is muddled, and you perseverate on points that have already been brought to a conclusion in the thread....

<b><i>HELLO</i></b>. Is anybody in there??? What are you trying to accomplish with your posts? You have a few valid points, but somehow I hardly get the feeling that TAMM or anyone else needs your advice.
 
[QUOTE but if you look at taam history. they never care what teh consumer wants


( god knows if you buy it and have aproblom you wont get any help from taam)


yea they have probloms. but they help you way more then taam does

i think TAAM should get a sponsor fourm here on RC it may help there customer service a bit

[/B][/QUOTE]

Have you actually ever tried to contact TAAM about a problem? The people I know of that had issues and bothered to contact the manufacturer (instead of *****ing and whining) had their problems resolved.

I ended up with a Hyperflow pump not realizing it was a Rio product. I had the pump lock up after a power outtage (better than 9 hours before I found it, no meltdown or tank crash. The pump wasn't even hot) and e-mailed them a question about whether or not that was to be expected. I didn't get an e-mail reply, I got a phone call. They asked that I not take the pump apart to fix it, they asked me to send the pump to them so the engineers could look at it. They sent me 2 pumps for my trouble and sent me the original back after they looked at it.

Not only did they try to make it right for me, they were also interested in examining their product to figure out why it failed. Since that time I don't warn people off Rio pumps any more. I had great luck with the Seio I was using on my system.

One thing I have noticed about a number of the supposed Rio tank crash stories is that nobody ever seems to have a picture of the oil slick and when they are asked what the company said they usually say "oh I was just so mad I threw the pump away and cleaned up the mess". Now I am not saying that Rio pumps never fail or that they have never killed a tank but I guarantee you if I had a peice of equipment massacre my tank I would have pictures and you bet your butt the manufacturer would have heard from me about it. I think some of these stories are just people jumping on the band wagon.
 
yes i tried contacting taam before.
and usualy get stuck on hold forever the second i mention that somthing bad happend. or i had them ask for my number several times so they could call back and they never did.

i havent tried recently . this was about a year ago that i contacted them about 5 times and never had any help besides " try cleaning it"

after 5 calls you kinda give up

the only taam product i never had a big problom with was a rio ( one of the higher gph ones. that we used to use at the lfs i used to work at/

"read your own posts. You are almost incoherent -- to wit calling a statement "dumb" that mentions Tunze are not problem free. "

btw just to tell ya when i said dumb i wasnt saying any one was dumb or anythign liek that. jsut saying if some one posted somthing like " taam products run on pixi dust and work forever" that would be dumb

and about my typing. i suck at it to beginwith. and ontop of that im typing on my lap since i dotn have a desk any more lol
 
I think it will hit the states in about 2 to 3 weeks,so that means we in Canada will have it a week or two after that.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7448265#post7448265 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Deuce67
ReefSalt, did they say how long the delay will be? Thanks.
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Hi goda,

Well now knowing that you never tried a SEIO and never had to call TAAM for customer service about SEIO`s tells me you were just jumping on the Blame TAAM bandwagon,and you should re-read your post prior to writing them,because you make no sence.

I dont know about you but $900 vs $1900 is a thousand dollar difference.Or get four controllers for each pump a total of $1300 why for independant control??? why do you honestly think it will change your reef ???I think not nevertheless its still either $1000 or $600 difference to me that a BIG difference.

As for customer service, here in Canada I have seen on forums where the hobbiest clearly used there SEIO on a Wavemaker which TAAM clearly says not to,and they took care of the customers damaged impellar although it was due to misuse..to me thats GREAT customer service.

I have seen several people email TAAM for information and they recieved a answer via email. Read the post made by other members on this thread who contacted TAAM once again this doesnt sound like a company avoiding the enduser.



Anyways,like I said to me I feel TAAM has come along way and there SEIO line of pumps are GREAT! and TAAM has come along way.
 
"Well now knowing that you never tried a SEIO and never had to call TAAM for customer service about SEIO`s tells me you were just jumping on the Blame TAAM bandwagon,and you should re-read your post prior to writing them,because you make no sence."

where did oyu get that idea..
i had several sieos and several rios . all of them quit in 1 to 2 weeks

you should read a bit instead of just posting to make others look like they are just a bunch of losers who are just ' hopping on the waggon' ( like that guy who kept blabing about modding maxi jets yet never actualy tried the product

I HAVE FIRST HAND NEGITIVE EXPERIANCE

"yes i tried contacting taam before.
and usualy get stuck on hold forever the second i mention that somthing bad happend. or i had them ask for my number several times so they could call back and they never did." is what i said only a few post back

so unless they changed in the past year...

i will find out soon. since as i said i was offered a seio for free to 10 bucks by some one local. if i can get the wave make for this at a total of 210 bucks then heck yes its cheeper then tunze
and if some one can prove that taam cares about the customers now . then i will definitly give the wave make a shot. i still think. if you plan on buying one power head and one wave maker ( like alot of people who have tanks 55 or smaller tend to do) then tunze is the better deal. once you start getting into multiple power heads and wave makers seio is the best deal

can we agree on that?
 
I'm just chiming in to say that I had, from reading a lot of posts, the impression that TAAM customer service was awful. I had a problem with one of my Seios, which was the first time I ever did have a problem with any of the three that I have, and emailed them. They quickly responded and resolved the problem very easily to my total satisfaction. I think that TAAM may, in fact, be getting better.
 
We sure can agree on that godia but the smaller SEIO`s can still be used in the same setup for a 55g at still a lower cost. I am using the 2600 units on my setup, I siliconed the 4 brackets tonight and it will look sweet, on my 300 gl Im working on.

I should have got some type of magnet which was posted earlier.

As for CS well I can say they must have better CS now because they seem to take care of the problems quite fast.

I must have misread your post,I thought you mentioned you were "going" to try a SEIO because you will get one for free.

I hope the SEIO you will get helps to show you that they dont deserve the wrap they get and they are good pumps.

Have fun with your SEIO :)
 
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Scarletknight06
did anybody see the new magnet holders that marinedepot is selling. i think they're made by a third party, but they have models that work for the different models of seios and some for maxijets. [/B]
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They are selling it at Marine Depot got to check them out.

Thanks For the info
 
"I think that TAAM may, in fact, be getting better."
thats great
maybe they relized.. that ' hey were getting new products and could amke alot of $' lets improve CS so we dont get bad rep this time as well


think taam will make a seio nano any time soon? ( tunze has tunze nano stream . it looks like a lil ball) shouldent be to hard for taam to remake that.

think i should try to contact them again. even tho i compleatly butched the pumps after i got no response last year ( wanted to see what inside went bad and i DID find a burnt coil on it)
 
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