Show size fish: Please take a look

[FishBoy05]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SPW0_gHyK8&feature=youtu.be

I browse the fish only & aggressive, scuba, and the selling forums on a daily basis, but haven't helped or asked for help for years.

It's gotten to the point where I need to ask for help for my old sohal. He has been infested for over 3 weeks,.. about a month. He's fought stuff before and it always seems to just go away. Fish is 8-9 years old about 12-14 inches.

He is now covered in ich, it looks like brook or immo on a clownfish. He is just covered! The sohal eats great and swims into a 2600 gal per hr powerhead like its his job trying to rid the parasites.

It has also gotten to my Bariene Tang a little as well. I'm afraid it is slowly getting to others as well.

I'm looking for thoughts and help, my show tank is exactly that - a show tank. Big TANK Big FISH

I am planning to remove the sohal and maybe the bariene tang and treat them in a 100 gal Rubbermaid stock tank with cupramine and coppersafe. Am I doing this right?

I haven't had to deal with disease/parasites for a long time. Most of the fish in this tank have been our pets for 5-6 years. This is crushing me that I need to ask for help for my guys. I could use some help.

Thanks- Kris

 

[scuzy]

Without treating all fish ich will be back

 

[scuzy]

In a fowlr tank I would treat the whole tank

 

[Deinonych]

Without treating all fish ich will be back

+1

With this many large fish, treatment in a QT is pretty much impossible. You can't treat the DT with copper, as the rocks will adsorb the medication making it difficult to maintain the proper dose. You could try treating the tank with chloroquine phosphate at 40mg/gal. With a tank this large, you're looking at a considerable amount of medication - 30g for the primary dosage. You'll need more depending on how large your sump is, as well as water changes.

There is a lengthy thread here about CP - recommend you read through it to see if this treatment makes sense for you.

 

[enjetek]

Wrong it can be done. Dose what the instructions say to get it to the recommended dose and then everyday or so add more as needed until it hits the right level. When you are done throw in carbon and do water changes to get it all out.

 

[Deinonych]

It's not that simple. Live rock will adsorb copper and release it back into solution over time, making it difficult to maintain the correct concentration. That means you're either not dosing enough (and not killing the parasite), or dosing too much (and killing the fish).

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22286145&postcount=33

 

[MrTuskfish]

It's not that simple. Live rock will adsorb copper and release it back into solution over time, making it difficult to maintain the correct concentration. That means you're either not dosing enough (and not killing the parasite), or dosing too much (and killing the fish).

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22286145&postcount=33

I agree. LR can pull enough Cu out of the water column that the Cu in the water column falls below therapeutic levels. All it takes is for ich to continue its life cycle is a few moments of these lower copper levels.

CP may be the way to go; but you can't even test the strength of the stuff. There is no way of knowing how much is in the water column; LR and substrate are going to absorb some of this med too. IMO, getting enough QT space; tanks, brute containers, etc. and treating all of the fish is the only option. When fish are weakened, and this is happening now, its vital that something be done ASAP. You don't have the luxury of waiting and looking for a better solution. Don' let the LFS talk you into a reef-safe cure---there aren't any. Because CP is hard to get, I think your only choice is copper (Cupramine) in a QT (s).


Sorry to the OP: this is why so many folks on this forum preach getting rid of ich, no matter what it takes. "Managing" ich just doesn't work, some tanks just last longer than others.

 

[Deinonych]

CP may be the way to go; but you can't even test the strength of the stuff. There is no way of knowing how much is in the water column; LR and substrate are going to absorb some of this med too.

Very true. I think the inability to test for CP is the single biggest impediment to its widespread use. If only a test kit were available...

 

[snorvich]

Without treating all fish ich will be back

I agree. But if fish only, treat the entire tank. If there is live rock, that will complicate matters however.

 

[snorvich]

+1

With this many large fish, treatment in a QT is pretty much impossible. You can't treat the DT with copper, as the rocks will adsorb the medication making it difficult to maintain the proper dose. You could try treating the tank with chloroquine phosphate at 40mg/gal. With a tank this large, you're looking at a considerable amount of medication - 30g for the primary dosage. You'll need more depending on how large your sump is, as well as water changes.

There is a lengthy thread here about CP - recommend you read through it to see if this treatment makes sense for you.

I would go with CP (although I am not an advocate, that may be the most feasible)

 

[snorvich]

I agree. LR can pull enough Cu out of the water column that the Cu in the water column falls below therapeutic levels. All it takes is for ich to continue its life cycle is a few moments of these lower copper levels.

CP may be the way to go; but you can't even test the strength of the stuff. There is no way of knowing how much is in the water column; LR and substrate are going to absorb some of this med too. IMO, getting enough QT space; tanks, brute containers, etc. and treating all of the fish is the only option. When fish are weakened, and this is happening now, its vital that something be done ASAP. You don't have the luxury of waiting and looking for a better solution. Don' let the LFS talk you into a reef-safe cure---there aren't any. Because CP is hard to get, I think your only choice is copper (Cupramine) in a QT (s).


Sorry to the OP: this is why so many folks on this forum preach getting rid of ich, no matter what it takes. "Managing" ich just doesn't work, some tanks just last longer than others.

I totally agree. The exponential nature of the life cycle definitely will get one in the long run.

 

[scuzy]

On solution is take our the live rocks keep in a bin

 

[snorvich]

On solution is take our the live rocks keep in a bin

Yes, but most tanks also have substrate which is the same problem of maintaining proper concentration.

 

[HumbleFish]

I would go with CP

Never thought I would see the day...

 

[snorvich]

Never thought I would see the day...

Well, he has no other options. I do NOT feel that this is the preferred solution for reasons I have previously mentioned. On the other hand I have never suggested NOT using it.