Sizing skimmer

hunter57

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I'm interested in buying a protien skimmer and want it be oversized for the system I have now. Currently I have a 120 gal. display, a 90 gal. refugium (setting up now), and a sump that can contain anywhere from 50-150 gallons. I'm trying to leave room for an additional 180 gal. display tank. All tanks would be tied together, I think, still kicking it around. Anyway I need help trying to size my protien skimmer. I'm having trouble sizing the skimmer because I'm not sure if I need to include the volume of the sump and fuge when sizing. I was also wondering what people think about the bullet series from precision marine? Any help would be greatly appreciated. :confused:
 
You should include the entire system volume. So a skimmer that can handle roughly 600g. The precision marine Bullet3 is a good skimmer that can handle a heavy stocked 300g system, but I like to oversize. The ETSS 1400XR or ASM's G5 would be good skimmers without breaking the bank. There's also EuroReef's RC500 that would be killer.
 
Include the entire system volume...... The following is a PM that a RC member sent to me. I ended up calling the aquarium tech listed. He's a great guy and was willing to talk with me for almost an hour. I went with what he recommended and couldnt be happier.>>>>>>>>>>>here you go>>>>>>>>>

UCanDoIt wrote on 01/22/2007 09:36 AM:
My aquarium technician has a certain formula that he uses when making recommendations to his clients on the correct size skimmer to buy to protect their systems. He's been in business maintaining aquariums for over 15 years and his partner has over 20 years experience. From my own experience as well as theirs, we've discovered that a skimmer undersize or severely oversized never performs as well as one that is correctly sized. What is so confusing about the skimmer ballgame is that manufacturers are sometimes overly optimistic about the capacity of their skimmers, then you don't end up what you need.

Recirculating Skimmer Calculation
Total Water Volume x 1.5 Multiplier
120g x 1.5 = 180g, so the closest to this calc is:
H&S A150 $649.99 up to 225g capacity

Non-Recirculating Skimmer Calculation
Total Water Volume x 2 Multiplier
120g x 2 = 240g, so the closest to this calc is:
H&S 200-1260 $899.99 up to 300g capacity
ATi Bubblemaster 200 $529 up to 250g capacity
The reason why a larger multiplier is used on non-recirculating skimmers is because they do not perform as well as the recirculating, so the ratings are a little optimistic when manufacturers rate them the same as the recirculating skimmers, using the same pump and same body size. I believe that recirculating skimmers perform around 15%-20% better than non-recirculating.

The ATi Bubblemaster was thrown into the mixed because it is a great performer and a newcomer to the skimmer ballgame. They are really a great value with this new meshwheel technology that has blown all the medium end skimmers away. They compete with the high end skimmers, but at half the price.

If you need a dealer to make your ATi or H&S skimmer purchase and want to take advantage of FREE s/h/i, I highly recommend my aquarium technician, who is West Coast biggest authorized dealer for Fins Reef and just started his dealership with ReefGeek. Shipping & handling on these big skimmers can be quite expensive because of the oversize boxes used to protect the skimmer from potential shipping abuse. My local dealer is great to work with and he is currently offering RC members a promo of FREE s/h/i through the end of January as his next order needs to get then. His contact info is below if you want to go that direction.

Here's webpage for KMA Int'l, owner is Ed:
http://home.wwdb.org/kmaintl

They are also listed as authorized dealers for Deltec USA and H&S/Fins Reef.
http://www.deltecusa.us/dealers.php
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/s...threadid=902403

Here's what other RC members have commented about working with Ed:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/s...threadid=865055

Hope this information if helpful. The above PM was developed as I've gotten many questions on what size and where to buy. So, not everything may apply, but you get the jest of the calculation. Christine
 
Its not so much the volume as what you have in it. Lots of fish? Okay, go larger. Need pristine water for a mostly-SPS type reef? Okay, go larger. Plan on running a softie/LPS tank with minimal fish.... then you dont need as much.
 
Mister Henry Bowman, wished you asked me for permission before posting a private message on public forum... but that's OK.

hunter57 - my recommendation after owning so many skimmers, both recirculating and non-recirculating (in sump only)... as well as observing the evaluation of 8-10 different skimmers last year that was tested, some stand alone and many side by side against other skimmers, i would say that it is very difficult to plan on total water volume for future and expect it to work well with your current planned setup. reason is that it is too far apart. i would recommend that you pick the best skimmer that will support your planned system now and just add a 2nd skimmer when you are ready to expand. what's nice about having 2 skimmers is one can be set to wet skim while the other skims dry. i actually prefer wetting skimming myself and don't care to clean that nasty stinky gunk that builds up with drier skimming. i like the gunk only to be on the top edge on the riser tube just before it climbs over into the collection cup.

and hanm is correct, a lot has to depend on bioload. my aquarium tech is very conservative, so his calculation above is already slightly oversized so that your skimmer never falls short in protecting your system. assuming a minimum total water volume of 260g (120g display, 90g fuge & 50g sump), plan on a skimmer that is near 390g capacity for recirculating or near 520g capacity for non-recirculating. if you want a high end proven performer recirculating skimmer, go with H&S A200 or the Deltec AP851. for non-recirculating skimmer, you can beat the new ATi BM250. good luck and be careful of all the confusing opinions. :D
 
UCanDoIt - I apologize for posting a PM to the public forum. I thought it was great advice and wanted to help a fellow reefer.

Again, I apologize, wont happen again.
 
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