skimmer head scratcher

[DarG]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14427467#post14427467 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Snausy
Nobody is crying. I'm laughing at you.

Bottom line is skimmers are all about price/performance. In the same breath that you tell everyone that the hurricone is overpriced, you freely admit that you have no clue how it performs. It's a joke...

The custom volute is machined very well in this askoll motor(much more desirable than the sicce pumps)...heck they even use special expensive fiber optic grease on the shafts/impeller that is used for underwater fiberoptic testing on offshore oilrigs.

IF it turns out that the hurricone performs better than your "precious" cone...heck if it performs as well as a 1500 skimmer, is it still overpriced? Talking about it being overpriced when you don't know how it performs is absolutely brilliant *rolls eyes*.

Call me daft and any other name you like. You act all surprised and innocent that someone that owns a hurricone would take issue with your negative comments towards it. Are you truly this unwise and uninsightful or are you just pretending to be?

You say it's a marketing "con" and then wonder how in the world someone who bought one could/would actually feel defensive about your comments? lol funny guy.

Enough of this bickering...it's not worth my time.

"daft" lol...good god man.

Still crying?

Ok then,

Yes, its overpriced. Most skimmers are overpriced, many are grossly overpriced. Performance is not the end all. Its performance for the price. It it were about performance at any cost then we all could have just bought Bubble Kings.

If it performs as well as a $2500 Bubble King is it actually "worth" $2500? According to your commentary, you believe that it is.

The longer cone transition did not cost them hundreds more dollars to inplement than the standard, shorter transitions. The pump and volute didnt cost them anywhere near the 300 bucks it would cost one to purchase at retail. The skimmer is priced comparable to the "budget" cones. IMO they are clearly making additional profit on the skimmer based on the marketing of the "cone" design.

They would not have been able to sell the skimmer equipped the same way but with a standard transition for the same price.
It did not cost them that much additional to implement the longer transition. You are paying in good part for the "cone" and its not a cone.

Oh, I completely forgot to consider that special, oil rig tested, expensive fiber optic grease film on the shaft. That's gotta be worth atleast a couple hundred bucks. Now that's funny. You were kidding there, right? Or are you truly naive enough to believe that the skimmers value is increased because of the special grease?

Coralvue (and whoever else is involved financially) is the one who is "lauging". David is laughing all the way to the bank. And kudos to him for being able to market the skimmer amongst the true cone skimmers and make the extra profit because of it. If it performs well then word of mouth should make him that much more money for slick design and naming/marketing.

BTW ... I see that you couldnt find that quote. Imagine that. I still never bashed the skimmer in terms of performance or build.

 

[johnnyblaze313]

The cone gets my vote!!

 

[Snausy]

lol you quote my saying:

"Bottom line is skimmers are all about price/performance"

Then immediately say:

"Performance is not the end all. Its performance for the price"

Are you slow or something?

Holy crap stop crying about the hurricone already. 90% of your words in this thread are about what's wrong with the hurricone when you've never even seen one in person. Btw, potential buyers SEE the hurricone pictures when ordering it. You think we don't know that it's not a true cone? We don't want a true cone...if we did we'd be ordering one of those instead.

Don't be mad at David about how he came up with a slick name for it. Marketing is a tool to get people's attention and is smart business. That has nothing to do with how it performs and it doesn't make your skimmer any worse so stop bawling about it. Buyers won't buy a product nomatter how cool the name is if it doesn't cut the mustard.

Try saying some good things about YOUR skimmer instead of just bashing the hurricone for once. You'd come off as much more credible. If you had actually tested a hurricone and said some fo this I would understand where you are coming from but you are absolutely ignorant regarding the hurricone so it sounds like you have a stake in SWC sales or something.

btw, my mentioning the grease was to say that they care about build quality all the way down to the grease. You know that already but chose to make fun of it like I was saying it was worth hundreds of dollars. You aren't fooling anyone here. People can see right through your absolute lack of logical debate. It's pathetic and I'm embarrassed for you.

You keep saying it's not worth the money but then say you aren't talking about performance or build. That makes absolutely no sense at all. You think just having an actual cone shape makes your skimmer worth more money?

Reading your posts is like going around in circles...you keep saying the same thing over and over....and none of it has any value. You know nothing about the hurricone and how it performs.

David and Mike and whoever else designed this skimmer have improved upon the previous generations of octopus skimmers and have a great product in the hurricone IMHO.

The end. I'm sure you can't resist having the last word though...so get typing. Just try to come up with something new and interesting please.

 

[Jefe12234]

I think most of what you're paying for with a Hurricone is the pump. I didn't buy mine in order to have a cone skimmer, I bought it for the Askoll that pulls 80scfh. The cone shaped transition is a nice addition that works very well, but I don't think it's inflating the price greatly. I can see how people could view the Hurricone name as trying to cash in on the cone craze, but it's just a name. Anyone can see that it's not a full cone, so they're really not hiding anything.

 

[Snausy]

Exactly, bottom line FOR ME as a consumer is bang-for-buck...how good is the skimmer for what you are paying. How well does it work. How much gunk does it suck out of the water. How good is the pump and volute. How well does the body work with that particular pump/volute etc etc etc.

I bought the hurricone skimmer because of the pump and it's custom machined volute which is very well done. Turns out the body does a nice job with this pump and the new cone transition works very well from what I've seen. 80scfh and a nice bubble plate that has been tweaked to work optimally...they didn't just send out the product, they held it and tested it for awhile. Turns out they changed a few things like the pinwheel and the bubble-plate so that it was as good as they envisioned when designing it. That mattered to me and I was willing to wait for it.

Both skimmers are very good...it's a win/win imho and I think the OP would be happy with either skimmer. They are just going to have to decide on one. Have fun!

 

[BigBadBlenny]

do you guys think it would be worth getting the single sicce cone from swc? my system atm is only 130 ish gallons. i can always add the second sicce when i upgrade.

 

[bayoupr]

I order the MSX single Scicci cone from which is the same cone as the SWC. I ordered this for possible future upgrade. Right now I'm going to run this on my 125g with a 40g sump/refuge I'm building.

 

[mightymizz]

Check out the I-tech skimmers as well. There is a thread here on RC about them. They are a true cone skimmer made in the USA and they are very reasonably priced. The January tank of the month ran one on his system as well. I have the small version, the 100, and it's super easy to adjust, just turn the wedge pipe left or right.
Check it out, you might really like them!

 

[Snausy]

Seems to be popular opinion that askoll>sicce. I don't know much about sicce but my askoll is dead silent and very efficient and powerful at the same time.

 

[BigBadBlenny]

i agree from what i have read askoll is the better pump. by how much i have no clue. the thing i am worried about is getting the better pump is great but does my system size need it? (~130 gallons) i would have to pay $250 - $300 more for a better pump that may never be used to its potential.

i have seen the itech, mailed the guy to get the scoop. but getting it shipped north after fees and duty and such, the swc is gonna be close if not cheaper. i also looked at a warner marine skimmer but the same thing applies.


i feel that i cant go wrong with the either machine.

thanks for your input and time.

 

[DarG]

Now you claim that 90% of my commentary is "bashing" the skimmer. Buy yet you cant find one quote where I criticized performance or build quality of the skimmer.

And how am I "mad" at David when I game him kudos for the slick naming and marketing of the design, and the design itself?

Here is is again. Its very simple ...
I dont think that using "cone" in the name is accurate or even appropriate. I dont think that the name "cone" represents anything other than being marketing text to increase interest, profit margin and potential sales. In my opinion it does not accurately represent the design of the skimmer.

That is all I had to say that was "negative" about the skimmer. Nothing touching on performance or build. Your going on about my "bashing" the skimmer is nothing more than your continued crying over what you feel is a personal attack on you because you own one of the skimmers. It is indeed on you. You are in fantasy land about anything else you perceive that I stated or intended to state.

If you have an argument with me, then it is on my opinions regarding the naming/marketing. You keep crying about me "bashing" the skimmer itself, which I havent done. And now you are whining about me being "mad" at David. So I have to ask, can you not comprehend what you read? Or, again, are you daft?

If I actually had "bashed" the skimmer on the merits of it's performance or quality, would you have had a full blown mental breakdown?

 

[Snausy]

This thread had moved on toward the positive with some good opinions about skimmers then you come back in here and can't help yourself with yet another personal attack. Be a marinesolutions crony, that's fine...but please just move on and get over it. It's pathetic how you just have to "win". We have a difference of opinion...that is all. Time to grow up and let things go.

I'm glad you like your cone, I'm sure it's great.

 

[DarG]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14448468#post14448468 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Snausy
This thread had moved on toward the positive with some good opinions about skimmers then you come back in here and can't help yourself with yet another personal attack. Be a marinesolutions crony, that's fine...but please just move on and get over it. It's pathetic how you just have to "win". We have a difference of opinion...that is all. Time to grow up and let things go.

I'm glad you like your cone, I'm sure it's great.

Just following your "lead".

We would have had a simple difference of opinion on the naming, marketing and pricing issue if you had stuck to disagreeing with my very clear and simple point. But you had to go off on a fantasyland tangent with your taking it personally and your crying and arguing things that I never stated.

Take your own advice.

 

[nebraskareef]

a1 swc cone gets my vote....

David spent so much time designing that logo, it's a shame Martin at Honya won't put it on for him, lol.

 

[Snausy]

lol DarG brought help...

Do you really hate David this much? Direct competition perhaps? It makes no sense otherwise. It's a great skimmer.

I'll give you last word. I realize finally that I'm talking to someone who is trying to put down the hurricone for reasons I don't care about.

 

[DarG]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14456228#post14456228 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Snausy
lol DarG brought help...

Do you really hate David this much? Direct competition perhaps? It makes no sense otherwise. It's a great skimmer.

I'll give you last word. I realize finally that I'm talking to someone who is trying to put down the hurricone for reasons I don't care about.

So you finally realize that the only issue I have with the skimmer is the use of the word "cone" in the name (of a skimmer that is not a cone) for the purposes of marketing.
Good for you! You never should have cared about it because it never was a condemnation of the skimmer itself from a performance or build quality perspective.

Im glad you finally realized that.

Sure took you long enough to finally figure that out and/or admit it though.