so our tank was vandalized.
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Texass2323
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Bummer..
WitsNWrasse
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sadly we have some other evidence that would suggest vandalism- it is a Nuvo marine tank, i am pretty sure it came rimless, although i was not there when the tank was brought in. Kayla is contacting them tomorrow to see what they say, and we will certainly talk to another company as well.
i think someone else asked if it was bow front, its not although the front is one piece so the front corners are curved. im sure there is a name for that type of tank but since im still new at this i dont know what it is.
it is also sitting on a counter, not on a stand, so i dont think uneven pressure unless there was an earthquake or something- which maybe i should check.
can tank failure like this happen this spontaneously ? i am the one that cleans the glass almost every day, and i have seen no signs of any cracks, even minute hairline ones.
if someone hit it with something small, and a bit softer do you think it could have caused the cracks ? if the person didnt come with the intention of shattering the tank, saw it, and then hit it with less force ?
like i said i would like nothing more than to have the tank replaced for free and be able to trust mankind again...
has anyone dealt with nuvo marine ? or had tank failure and gotten their tank replaced under warranty ?
i think someone else asked if it was bow front, its not although the front is one piece so the front corners are curved. im sure there is a name for that type of tank but since im still new at this i dont know what it is.
it is also sitting on a counter, not on a stand, so i dont think uneven pressure unless there was an earthquake or something- which maybe i should check.
can tank failure like this happen this spontaneously ? i am the one that cleans the glass almost every day, and i have seen no signs of any cracks, even minute hairline ones.
if someone hit it with something small, and a bit softer do you think it could have caused the cracks ? if the person didnt come with the intention of shattering the tank, saw it, and then hit it with less force ?
like i said i would like nothing more than to have the tank replaced for free and be able to trust mankind again...
has anyone dealt with nuvo marine ? or had tank failure and gotten their tank replaced under warranty ?
dodgerblew
Team RC
It could have started to fail in the middle of the night so the answer is yes.
icdeadpieces
out of hobby
Anyone have an extra 30 to 40g tank they want to donate?
WitsNWrasse
Member
well heres some better pictures....
if it was hit/bumped, then this is the side where it would have been struck
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo_zps334690aa.jpg">
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo4_zpsb64bddbf.jpg">
i really want to believe it was a stress fracture, but since the bottom half is just so much more pushed in than the top-it kind of defies the laws of physics, especially since the top wasnt pushed out (it is still flush with the unbroken glass, and the bottom has a slight angle to it)
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo3_zpse8a15198.jpg">
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo5_zps0cc1d307.jpg">
either way, the tank is still broken :headwally: we're working on getting the room card access only, instead of lock and key so we can hopefully set up a tank again. the dept said they might be able to scrounge together some money for a new one, the only thing is that we would just need a receipt, so it couldnt be cash it would have to be via pay pal. the dept chair is looking into it :sad2: however- donations graciously accepted and im sure once our sea horses start breeding eventually we can work something out ! it just really sucks because we bought this tank brand new, so 400 dollars is down the drain, not to mention the coral that was out of the water :angryfire:
this only makes me terrified to start up my tank since i am in a rental and i have wood floors........:hmm3:
if it was hit/bumped, then this is the side where it would have been struck
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo_zps334690aa.jpg">
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo4_zpsb64bddbf.jpg">
i really want to believe it was a stress fracture, but since the bottom half is just so much more pushed in than the top-it kind of defies the laws of physics, especially since the top wasnt pushed out (it is still flush with the unbroken glass, and the bottom has a slight angle to it)
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo3_zpse8a15198.jpg">
<img src="http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t575/vanessaraejohnson/photo5_zps0cc1d307.jpg">
either way, the tank is still broken :headwally: we're working on getting the room card access only, instead of lock and key so we can hopefully set up a tank again. the dept said they might be able to scrounge together some money for a new one, the only thing is that we would just need a receipt, so it couldnt be cash it would have to be via pay pal. the dept chair is looking into it :sad2: however- donations graciously accepted and im sure once our sea horses start breeding eventually we can work something out ! it just really sucks because we bought this tank brand new, so 400 dollars is down the drain, not to mention the coral that was out of the water :angryfire:
this only makes me terrified to start up my tank since i am in a rental and i have wood floors........:hmm3:
There is zero impact breaks in those pictures.
Email Current-USA and see if they could donate http://www.current-usa.com/aquariums/solana to your school. They are an awesome company that way. In fact, many companies are well worth asking.
PM me if you want some help, I work in the industry and have for a rather long time.
Email Current-USA and see if they could donate http://www.current-usa.com/aquariums/solana to your school. They are an awesome company that way. In fact, many companies are well worth asking.
PM me if you want some help, I work in the industry and have for a rather long time.
Dapg8gt
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It looks like the glass wasn't bent within tolerance and had a slight twist to it imo.. That would be the only cause in my mind.. If the glass was forced to bend the slightest bit to make the seal that's what would eventually happen.. I would Def ask for a replacement and take lot of pictures
dodgerblew
Team RC
i would take Gresham up on his offer. You might end up in a better position then when you started. He is legit Vanessa
This is pretty telling in both word and visual. I think in the long run your tank will be replaced " free of charge"; you have suffered some losses but you will be up and running in no time!This is not the first Nuvo I've seen with broken glass and I've heard rumors of more. A local reefer posted about a week ago that his 30 randomly cracked also. I don't think it was vandalism. As posted above, I would contact IM and see about a replacement.
dodgerblew
Team RC
It's also great you have a thread started bc the companies reputation is all they have in the long run within this community
i'm no physicist, just a layman offering a layman's opinion, but i don't think it was vandalism either. if it was a bat there'd be much more damage and splintering.
in tanks with curved corners (i.e. a tank with 3 viewable sides made from one piece of glass) it's possible the perpendicular "panes" were not perfect 90 degree angles. this can happen also with tanks made from 5 separate pieces (4 sides and a bottom), but the silicone jointing can alleviate some of the stress that results from slightly off angles because the silicone has more flexibility.
Even though it sounds counter intuitive, glass is flexible to a certain degree. and it's also technically a super super slow moving liquid (which is why, if you look through windows of really old houses, like 70+ years, and the view out the windows can look wave-y or distorted, it's because the glass has sagged a little in that time...maybe modern glass is different, i don't know).
so, if the perpendicular sides are off a degree or two, and then are force fastened to a bottom pane and/or back wall which causes some flexing, it can put stress on the glass. so, a small impact, or even just time, can cause the glass to crack at the stress point.
and, even though the glass looks "sucked" in at that break point, it may not be from the force of an impact, but rather the glass returning to its unstressed or resting position. that and add in the weight of all the water above the crack pushing outwards and the force of the water escaping, could also explain why the top part of the crack extends out.
i'd call the tank manufacturer and try to get your money back or a replacement.
that's my .02.
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looks like Dapg8gt already said what i said, just way more efficiently.
in tanks with curved corners (i.e. a tank with 3 viewable sides made from one piece of glass) it's possible the perpendicular "panes" were not perfect 90 degree angles. this can happen also with tanks made from 5 separate pieces (4 sides and a bottom), but the silicone jointing can alleviate some of the stress that results from slightly off angles because the silicone has more flexibility.
Even though it sounds counter intuitive, glass is flexible to a certain degree. and it's also technically a super super slow moving liquid (which is why, if you look through windows of really old houses, like 70+ years, and the view out the windows can look wave-y or distorted, it's because the glass has sagged a little in that time...maybe modern glass is different, i don't know).
so, if the perpendicular sides are off a degree or two, and then are force fastened to a bottom pane and/or back wall which causes some flexing, it can put stress on the glass. so, a small impact, or even just time, can cause the glass to crack at the stress point.
and, even though the glass looks "sucked" in at that break point, it may not be from the force of an impact, but rather the glass returning to its unstressed or resting position. that and add in the weight of all the water above the crack pushing outwards and the force of the water escaping, could also explain why the top part of the crack extends out.
i'd call the tank manufacturer and try to get your money back or a replacement.
that's my .02.
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looks like Dapg8gt already said what i said, just way more efficiently.
WitsNWrasse
Member
ughhhhhhhhh if nuvo marines are doing this spontaneously then im not sure if even getting it replaced by the company will be in our best interest anyway... maybe at least we can get our money back but i dont know how warranties work.
i was really regretting getting my own tank that had silicone after working with this tank with the one piece of glass because it looked so nice but after what CNGH said im glad i did- seems like the glass will be a bit safer.
and greshamH i PMed you ! thanks
allmost- its in a locked room at night, but there are quite a few people who have a key, or have access to a room where a key is located. and we are now just finding out that there arent any cameras around the building- only in the parking lot -___- i dont get it, people pay 56,000 dollars a year to go to this school, and the school just paid to have Diego Torero painted on the SLP for homecoming weekend, but they cant buy cameras for safety ? screwed up priorities if you ask me.
i was really regretting getting my own tank that had silicone after working with this tank with the one piece of glass because it looked so nice but after what CNGH said im glad i did- seems like the glass will be a bit safer.
and greshamH i PMed you ! thanks
allmost- its in a locked room at night, but there are quite a few people who have a key, or have access to a room where a key is located. and we are now just finding out that there arent any cameras around the building- only in the parking lot -___- i dont get it, people pay 56,000 dollars a year to go to this school, and the school just paid to have Diego Torero painted on the SLP for homecoming weekend, but they cant buy cameras for safety ? screwed up priorities if you ask me.
well, i should say that tanks with silicone can still fail...but usually the silicone seam/joint will split instead of the glass cracking from stress. but i'm sure there are examples of stress cracks as well.
both are bad situations i'm not sure there's a perfect fail proof tank, but if you pay top-dollar you're right to have a reasonable expectation that it's not going to fail.
both are bad situations
i'm not sure there's a perfect fail proof tank, but if you pay top-dollar you're right to have a reasonable expectation that it's not going to fail.
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