So why go BB?

I have been looking at tanks and noticed that there are a lot of BB tanks. I like the look of it and it has me wanting to go BB. But why go BB? Easier then taking care of a sand bed or is there some kind of benefit?
thanks
 
Oh buddy you don't know what you're starting.............good luck

BTW my tanks are BB and I love it
 
Because it was cool 10-15 years ago so now it's back in style! :lol:


If you like the look of it and want to have a more pristine system with less detritus and therefore a little less nutrients (if you siphon the bottom regulalrly), go for it.
 
IMHO its easier to control the nutrient levels in a BB tank. This is my #1 reason for going BB, the other is that BB allows more flow.
 
Really it should be called the Berlin method because that is how they system is being run. Good amount of liverock, no sand, good skimming with high flow, and strong lighting. The only real difference is the way calcium is added as many use calcium reactors instead of doseing kalk. To be honest I think adding kalk would be better as it is theorized to help lower phosphate levels, another thing that people who go BB like to achieve.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7994791#post7994791 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChinChek787
Really it should be called the Berlin method because that is how they system is being run. Good amount of liverock, no sand, good skimming with high flow, and strong lighting. The only real difference is the way calcium is added as many use calcium reactors instead of doseing kalk. To be honest I think adding kalk would be better as it is theorized to help lower phosphate levels, another thing that people who go BB like to achieve.

BB tanks have less calcium/alkalinity demands due to the lack of processes typically found in a sand bed.


BB tanks should only be attempted if you can meet a few requirements;

1) LOTS OF FLOW. I have about 69x turnover in my tank. This keeps detritus in suspension and eventually gets it to my protein skimmer where it can be extracted.

2) STRONG PROTEIN SKIMMING. My skimmer is weak for a BB tank, but so far seems to be ok. You need a strong skimmer capable of skimming wet. We are talking strong, large protein skimmers. Not hang-on-back models. Becketts are the preferred choice, but I have not yet switched from my ASM needle wheel

3) GOOD ROCK WORK AQUASCAPING FOR FLOW. Your rocks should be arranged such that flow can get UNDERNEATH them and keep detritus from settling there. Typically people would place large flat pieces as their base items because they are sturdy, in BB, we flip it, and place pointy pieces on the bottom because they have very few points touching the bare bottom and impeading flow.

If you meet these requirements you will have very little work for yourself. The strong and effective flow plus wet protein skimming will remove almost all of the harmful detritus before it can break down in your tank. Whatever is left could be removed by several methods (just siphon it out during regular water changes, or stir it up with powerheads and use a TEMPORARY filter sock on your return to pick it up).

BB, however, will allow your tank to be run INDEFINITELY because there is nothing being loaded or filled up over years and years.

The biggest BB complaint I see from non-BB users is that its "ugly". To them I say, faux-sand BB. My tank uses a faux-sand bottom where 2 part clear epoxy (envirotex) from a craft store was mixed with sand, ontop of a cutting board, to create a substrate which is hard as a rock, but looks just like sand.

http://www.d3f.org/misc/fish/90g/85-full-tank-REDO.jpg
 
I went BB because I wanted to keep SPS only, which requires lots of flow. As mentioned before, sand would get tossed around in my tank due to the flow.

Also, I like looking at a clean, detritus-free bottom. When there's a spot of build-up, I siphon it out. I don't give it a chance to break down to NO3 or PO4. I had sand beds in the past and I hated that I wasn't able to siphon every little bit of detritus and I'm a clean freak.

Now, I can run a MJ 1200 along the back, blow everything up front and run my siphon in the "gutter" my starboard creates.

As for looks, I'm covering the bottom with clams and zoos and one day, you won't even know I had starboard under there. :)

It's all about personal preference.
 
i went bb because i was always fighting cyano on the sandbed. when i add more flow, sand get tossed around and i had to blow the lr with a powerhead once a week. since going bb, all i do now is water change. no cyano, no sand on corals and rocks.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7995092#post7995092 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by King-Kong
BB tanks have less calcium/alkalinity demands due to the lack of processes typically found in a sand bed.


BB tanks should only be attempted if you can meet a few requirements;

1) LOTS OF FLOW. I have about 69x turnover in my tank. This keeps detritus in suspension and eventually gets it to my protein skimmer where it can be extracted.

2) STRONG PROTEIN SKIMMING. My skimmer is weak for a BB tank, but so far seems to be ok. You need a strong skimmer capable of skimming wet. We are talking strong, large protein skimmers. Not hang-on-back models. Becketts are the preferred choice, but I have not yet switched from my ASM needle wheel

3) GOOD ROCK WORK AQUASCAPING FOR FLOW. Your rocks should be arranged such that flow can get UNDERNEATH them and keep detritus from settling there. Typically people would place large flat pieces as their base items because they are sturdy, in BB, we flip it, and place pointy pieces on the bottom because they have very few points touching the bare bottom and impeading flow.

If you meet these requirements you will have very little work for yourself. The strong and effective flow plus wet protein skimming will remove almost all of the harmful detritus before it can break down in your tank. Whatever is left could be removed by several methods (just siphon it out during regular water changes, or stir it up with powerheads and use a TEMPORARY filter sock on your return to pick it up).

BB, however, will allow your tank to be run INDEFINITELY because there is nothing being loaded or filled up over years and years.

The biggest BB complaint I see from non-BB users is that its "ugly". To them I say, faux-sand BB. My tank uses a faux-sand bottom where 2 part clear epoxy (envirotex) from a craft store was mixed with sand, ontop of a cutting board, to create a substrate which is hard as a rock, but looks just like sand.

http://www.d3f.org/misc/fish/90g/85-full-tank-REDO.jpg

King Kong, I hate to bring up the debate again, but which ones of those things do you not need for a sandbed tank?


The same things that help a BB tank help a sandbed tank.



And seriously, can we stop spreading this "you can't have high flow and a sandbed" myth? I've got a tunze 6060, two maximods, and two seio 820s in my 58 gallon (as well as my return).

Do the math, thats well over 6000gph, or over 100x turnover, with a 4" sandbed..
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8001420#post8001420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChinChek787
1 and 3 I believe

YOu dont think sandbed tanks need good flow and open aquascaping?


Good flow and open aquascaping will make any sandbed tank run better.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8001330#post8001330 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefNetWork
now i gotta ask whats starboard mean?

It's similar to white, cutting board material some BB reefers use to protect the bottom glass from possile rock slides, reflect light like sand and look somewhat like sand rather than just plain glass.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8001439#post8001439 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
YOu dont think sandbed tanks need good flow and open aquascaping?


Good flow and open aquascaping will make any sandbed tank run better.

Its difficult to get good flow without blowing sand everywhere. Also its difficult to create a sturdy structure on top of sand and if u put flat pieces on top of the sand u create dead spots there.
 
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