Some new fish...
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Recty
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I'm not sure what tri-tip is, but I do like ribs!
Bulbs make a big difference in the color of your fish. I do some white balancing in Photoshop before saving the picture, but if you have really blue lights no amount of white balancing quite fixes the picture. Same with really yellow lights, no amount of trying to balance fixes it perfectly.
Bulbs make a big difference in the color of your fish. I do some white balancing in Photoshop before saving the picture, but if you have really blue lights no amount of white balancing quite fixes the picture. Same with really yellow lights, no amount of trying to balance fixes it perfectly.
calmplex2g
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mystery meat,lol
Well I got some shots of the fish yesterday, but didn't upload them yet. My lights make the orange more of a yellow. Also it is not nearly as orange on the fins and mask as a fresh one at the lfs. But mine also was a juvi when I got it and probably didn't and doesn't get the same nutrition as in the wild. And to prevent clogging up this thread with pics, I'll start a new one this evening.
Recty
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I look forward to seeing your pictures!
I havent bought any of my angels as pure juveniles, most have been in the 3-5" range except the emperor who came in at 6.5".
I never really have liked juvi's, they are cool and I've owned a juvi emperor angel but the adult colors are just so much better that I'd rather just start with that.
My queen angel is the closest thing to a juvi I have in there and she is 5" long but still showing a little bit of her juvi coloration.
I havent bought any of my angels as pure juveniles, most have been in the 3-5" range except the emperor who came in at 6.5".
I never really have liked juvi's, they are cool and I've owned a juvi emperor angel but the adult colors are just so much better that I'd rather just start with that.
My queen angel is the closest thing to a juvi I have in there and she is 5" long but still showing a little bit of her juvi coloration.
Recty
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I think I'm going to try out a cleaner wrasse in my tank. Due to copper treating from time to time it's not a good idea for me to have cleaner shrimp. I'm well aware of the poor reputation these wrasses have but I talked to a couple employees at some online stores who actually sound like they know what they are doing and they recommend getting African cleaner wrasse, supposedly much hardier.
I know cleaner organisms aren't essential and my fish never scratch or seem to want cleaned, but I'd like to give them the option. I think I have enough large bodies in there that a cleaner wrasse might survive off their necrotic tissue. BlueZoo says their wrasses are eating their BlueZoo mix of food and also mysis so that's where I'll get mine from I do believe.
Anyone here have much experience with a cleaner wrasse? I never see them in tanks on RC and I personally have zero experience with them.
I thought about getting a pair of blue striped gobies since they will clean but don't seem to need to clean to live.
I know cleaner organisms aren't essential and my fish never scratch or seem to want cleaned, but I'd like to give them the option. I think I have enough large bodies in there that a cleaner wrasse might survive off their necrotic tissue. BlueZoo says their wrasses are eating their BlueZoo mix of food and also mysis so that's where I'll get mine from I do believe.
Anyone here have much experience with a cleaner wrasse? I never see them in tanks on RC and I personally have zero experience with them.
I thought about getting a pair of blue striped gobies since they will clean but don't seem to need to clean to live.
LuvAngels88
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I was going to get a Hawaiian cleaner wrasse before but the guy said he wouldn't recommend it because if there was no ich, the wrasse would still pick on the fishes' tissues and harass the fishes to no end. But this is for a Hawaiian cleaner--the African one may be different. I just noticed your thread has over 21,500 views. Must be those beautiful pictures! 
One of the LFS I worked at insisted on ordering them because I couldn't pound it into my manager's head enough that they don't eat parasites and they don't do well in captivity, BUT many we got in were eating prepared foods, and we kept one in our large 1500 gallon display will lots of big angels and tangs and we also kept one in a shark lagoon (horn shark). I never saw it clean the shark and the only other fish in there was a lunar wrasse and a few clowns and damsels.
I think one would be fine in your tank, especially if it was eating prepared foods.
Any chance you could get one of these, Larabicus quadrilineatus? I have always like these and the LFS here gets them occasionally, but I don't have a set up for them.
I think one would be fine in your tank, especially if it was eating prepared foods.
Any chance you could get one of these, Larabicus quadrilineatus? I have always like these and the LFS here gets them occasionally, but I don't have a set up for them.
Recty
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I was told specifically by BlueZoo that they dont recommend the Hawaiian cleaners, they will die within a month or two. They still stock them though<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15595629#post15595629 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LuvAngels88
I was going to get a Hawaiian cleaner wrasse before but the guy said he wouldn't recommend it because if there was no ich, the wrasse would still pick on the fishes' tissues and harass the fishes to no end. But this is for a Hawaiian cleaner--the African one may be different. I just noticed your thread has over 21,500 views. Must be those beautiful pictures!
As far as the no ich thing, I think he was just blowing smoke up your dress. Is that a saying? It sounds right... Anyway, they dont eat ich, there have been lots of studies on it, apparently. I remember reading that they might incidentally pull a couple ich cysts off the fish but they wont clean it of ich completely. I'm not getting it for disease control. I think of it more like when I have an itch, I can reach out and scratch my arm or my head or whatever, I wont go into detail
But my fish cant. I dont ever see them itching on the rocks but I'm betting it wouldnt hurt for them to get cleaned once in a while.When I had cleaner shrimp they certainly liked getting cleaned from time to time by the shrimp, so I'm hoping they appreciate the wrasse.
Recty
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Well I hope it does OK in my tank. I had some other fish on order and so I went ahead and called up BlueZoo and had them add it to the order. I'll be getting it in on Thursday.
Due to the ease of treating with copper and prazipro, I dont mind taking a little risk and just placing finicky fish right into the DT, as long as it is ones I'm not worried about having a hard time getting established with my other tankmates. I really cant imagine a cleaner wrasse doing good in a QT.
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IMO you should add the cleaner wrasse to QT first, it will be easier to train it for prepared foods.
Recty
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It's already eating BlueZoo's mix of prepared foods. However, I see that more as a supplement than the steady diet it would normally get by cleaning old and dying tissue off fish.
I'd rather get it right into my tank with an abundant food source since it's notoriously a hard to keep fish.
I may have a bad attitude, but treating my fish with copper this last time was unbelievably easy. I'm not nearly as worried about having an ich scare in the future, I'll gladly dose copper again with no worries about harming the fish.
It may come back and bite me in the butt, but I'm willing to take the risk in this instance. The other two fish I'm getting are not real hardy fish either, so I'll be adding them right to my sump and just treating the main tank as needed if they show signs of issues.
I'd rather get it right into my tank with an abundant food source since it's notoriously a hard to keep fish.
I may have a bad attitude, but treating my fish with copper this last time was unbelievably easy. I'm not nearly as worried about having an ich scare in the future, I'll gladly dose copper again with no worries about harming the fish.
It may come back and bite me in the butt, but I'm willing to take the risk in this instance. The other two fish I'm getting are not real hardy fish either, so I'll be adding them right to my sump and just treating the main tank as needed if they show signs of issues.
AquaKnight
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Bought a cleaner to go with a sub-adult snapper I caught when I was 10 or 11 years old. The snapper thought it was food, so it had to go into the reef with only a couple fish, where he died a few weeks later.
The thing that gets me from having one is, who clean's the cleaner? If you buy into the fact that a cleaner wrasse can rid the other fish of 100% of Ich (I don't), Ich will still be around because of the cleaner wrasse himself carrying it.
The thing that gets me from having one is, who clean's the cleaner? If you buy into the fact that a cleaner wrasse can rid the other fish of 100% of Ich (I don't), Ich will still be around because of the cleaner wrasse himself carrying it.
Recty
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I'm not at all thinking the cleaner will rid the tank of ich. I've got medications for that if the need arises.
I think it might help keep the angels healthier though, pulling off dead skin and lose scales and what not, like a cleaner shrimp would.
Yeah, I'm definitely not using it for parasite control, I'm just trying to make the tank a little more natural. For sure in the wild these fish visit cleaning stations so obviously there is something they glean from being cleaned, I'd like to give them that opportunity.
I've been thinking about it a while but didnt want to add one until I had the bioload to hopefully support it.
I think it might help keep the angels healthier though, pulling off dead skin and lose scales and what not, like a cleaner shrimp would.
Yeah, I'm definitely not using it for parasite control, I'm just trying to make the tank a little more natural. For sure in the wild these fish visit cleaning stations so obviously there is something they glean from being cleaned, I'd like to give them that opportunity.
I've been thinking about it a while but didnt want to add one until I had the bioload to hopefully support it.
Recty
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Well this is weird. I think my queen angel is about to die.
I'm not sure what is going on, she has always been great and healthy, no one picks on her. In fact, she makes the blue face and everyone else move out of the way except the bigger emperor.
I fed the tank tonight, like 2 hours ago and she didnt come out to eat. I saw her come out later and the emperor just did his little glance like he wanted her to move, she kind of moved to the side but not really and kind of started swimming weird to the surface like she had internal issues.
The emperor followed her, never bit her but he definitely didnt want her moving so slowly out of the way. She eventually just went down into the rocks and now she is perched upright but sitting on the rocks and breathing hard. I've never seen an angel sit on the rocks yet.
She looks really bad, breathing hard and just looking bad. I dont know how she went downhill so fast, today at lunch she ate like a pig with everyone else.
Where she is at I wont be able to catch her either, but since she is still swimming she will be impossible to catch unless I remove the rocks so I'm hoping she comes around.
I did just add in some pH buffer, I'm still raising it slowly from when I treated with copper, it went from 7.9 to 7.96 a couple hours ago, I cant imagine that caused any issues, all the other fish are doing great.
No new fish added so it shouldnt be some strange new disease, everyone else looks perfect. So weird... I really hope she makes it.
I'm not sure what is going on, she has always been great and healthy, no one picks on her. In fact, she makes the blue face and everyone else move out of the way except the bigger emperor.
I fed the tank tonight, like 2 hours ago and she didnt come out to eat. I saw her come out later and the emperor just did his little glance like he wanted her to move, she kind of moved to the side but not really and kind of started swimming weird to the surface like she had internal issues.
The emperor followed her, never bit her but he definitely didnt want her moving so slowly out of the way. She eventually just went down into the rocks and now she is perched upright but sitting on the rocks and breathing hard. I've never seen an angel sit on the rocks yet.
She looks really bad, breathing hard and just looking bad. I dont know how she went downhill so fast, today at lunch she ate like a pig with everyone else.
Where she is at I wont be able to catch her either, but since she is still swimming she will be impossible to catch unless I remove the rocks so I'm hoping she comes around.
I did just add in some pH buffer, I'm still raising it slowly from when I treated with copper, it went from 7.9 to 7.96 a couple hours ago, I cant imagine that caused any issues, all the other fish are doing great.
No new fish added so it shouldnt be some strange new disease, everyone else looks perfect. So weird... I really hope she makes it.
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shaithis13
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that sux man, its always puzzling when that happens. hope she comes out if it ok.
Recty
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Yeah, I dont know what the deal is but it does suck. I looked in there this morning but it's dark until later, I get up at 6:30AM and the lights dont come on until 3:00pm, although when I go home at lunch I should be able to see into the tank with the living room lights on.
I hope she is alive but she was really looking bad last night.
Recty
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I got home with my new fish today and the queen is still alive and actually looking much better, she is swimming around behind the rocks now, not just sitting looking like living death.
I still wish I could catch her and put her into QT so I can give her some better TLC, but at this point I cant. I need to borrow that fish trap again and see if I can bait her into it, although she didnt eat when I just fed so the trap is probably pointless.
This latest order isnt as great as I hoped it would be, but oh well, that's the risk with ordering online.
There were no heatpacks used, which is weird because I ordered from BZ in June and they put in 2 heatpacks per box. Now it's August and colder and they didnt use heatpacks? The water was 62 degrees which is pretty stinking cold for tropical fish.
I temperature acclimated them by floating the bags in my sump then I am now drip acclimating them. I was a little worried about the false personifer, first off it's smaller than I wanted, I ordered a 2.5" one and this one is 2" if that. I mean it's TINY. And secondly it wasnt swimming much at all, it wasnt looking good but in the last 10 minutes it's really perked up and is swimming around.
The regal angel is perfect, exactly the size I wanted, about 2.5" long. Perfect, what a beautiful fish.
And then the cleaner wrasse is like every other wrasse I've ordered... he was swimming around great and looking fine from the first second.
I still wish I could catch her and put her into QT so I can give her some better TLC, but at this point I cant. I need to borrow that fish trap again and see if I can bait her into it, although she didnt eat when I just fed so the trap is probably pointless.
This latest order isnt as great as I hoped it would be, but oh well, that's the risk with ordering online.
There were no heatpacks used, which is weird because I ordered from BZ in June and they put in 2 heatpacks per box. Now it's August and colder and they didnt use heatpacks? The water was 62 degrees which is pretty stinking cold for tropical fish.
I temperature acclimated them by floating the bags in my sump then I am now drip acclimating them. I was a little worried about the false personifer, first off it's smaller than I wanted, I ordered a 2.5" one and this one is 2" if that. I mean it's TINY. And secondly it wasnt swimming much at all, it wasnt looking good but in the last 10 minutes it's really perked up and is swimming around.
The regal angel is perfect, exactly the size I wanted, about 2.5" long. Perfect, what a beautiful fish.
And then the cleaner wrasse is like every other wrasse I've ordered... he was swimming around great and looking fine from the first second.
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