Magga Pie...I agree, that is pretty much what I want also. I do get satisfaction from knowing I have provided a safe and healthy enough environment for my fish to breed on a continunal basis. How long that takes is anybody's guess. I have been in the hobby a long time and have had numerous successful breeding pairs of clowns, as well as blue demoiselles and dominoes. This pair took the longest to get going. The female is eight years old and the male is six. They have been breeding for a year and a half now. As a matter of fact, the female used to be the male of a previous successful breeding pair. When we had the great power blackout in 2002 I lost $850 worth of fish and invertebrates, and not a single coral. The only fish that miraculously survived was my small male ocellaris. The guy I told you about earlier who bred clowns gave everyone in this area who lost fish two free clowns of their choice. The male I have now was one of those clowns, and of course the male that survived became my female. I have often wondered if that is why they took so long to get started as a breeding pair.