species tank?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13233927#post13233927 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NicoleC
They lied.

Alternately, they have no idea what they are talking about and accept whatever their wholesalers tell them. The dying usually happens far up the chain before the LFS gets it.

LFS *always* say things are not dyed.

Well I know the store she/he is talking about and have seen them. I was told when they had got some in the first time that they were dyed and there still there and not doing so good. But the ones they got in a week or so ago. I was told they were not but i dont know if there are or not. Im no expert though like some:D
 
I'd have never thunk it, but...

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=660686&perpage=25&pagenumber=6

Matt from Sustainable Aquatics mentinoed he knows someone who has been setting up tanks with numerous clowns for a couple of years now. I'm inquiring about the tank sizes they use for this (pretty sure a 33 won't be anywhere near big enough, though). Apparently, if there are a large number of the same size fish going in at the same time, they get along due to spreading aggression.
 
hmm.... interesting
Just got LR tonight from Joey on here..... came from a completely established tank he took down yesterday... so I'm guessing my tanks pretty much completely cycled (if any cycle at all) w/in the next week
 
maybe I'll post some pics soon.... or I also have pics from the beginning from asking questions on here....
think I should start a "build"/follow along thread on here as I go the "species tank" route?
anyone?
 
The reality is that 2 years is not long term for a species which lives decades. At about the age of 2 years is when clowns really start asserting themselves. Additionally, there may be other factors like stress which are playing a role.

In the wild, clowns do live in unsexed groups with a single lead female and secondary male. Like any species, however, individuals want to climb the social tree and get a chance to reproduce. As males and females die, the social order shifts. Otherwise, eventually individuals will challenge the male to gain access to reproduction.

In the wild, the losing fish swims off and joins another group (or gets eaten, if he/it doesn't do so fast enough). In captivity, the loser fish has nowhere to go to and the fight will become deadly either by outright killing or the loser fish will jump to escape.

Fish stores get away with keeping clowns in groups for short terms because the fish are too stressed to fight over hierarchy.

Breeders get away with keeping juvenile clowns in groups because they are so young and because you pack them in gill to gill, which reduces aggression (no one has a chance to establish a territory) but also necessitates daily water changes and makes an environment unhealthy to corals and anemones.

Even so, eventually the flock thins. I had to artificially reduce the size of the tank (using mesh) to cram the fish closer in together until they stopped fighting. This is with the gentle A. occelaris.

Maroons in particular are difficult for breeders and juveniles will kill each other in grow-out.

I have seen multiple pairs of the more docile species kept successfully in very large tanks with specific aquascaping plans. But we are talking typically tanks in the 200+ range where the clowns can be visually separated from each other.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13267452#post13267452 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by futureeyedoc
hmm.... interesting
Just got LR tonight from Joey on here..... came from a completely established tank he took down yesterday... so I'm guessing my tanks pretty much completely cycled (if any cycle at all) w/in the next week

I would let the tank sit fishless for a minimum of 6 weeks -- but you can be QT'ing your new clowns at the same time. This will give you a nice clean tank, a chance for all the pods and such to get established, the water to mature and stabilize and an overall good start for your new tank.
 
yeah I definetly plan to.... it's already been sitting with the 90lbs LS and 10-15lbs LR cycling for proly 6 weeks...before I added this additional established rock... so 6 more I think will be plenty....
 
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