Splendid Pintail Fairy Wrasse on DD today

[fishnerd]

Maybe if you were running a non-profit charity. I think its silly to expect a business not to occasionally cater to its more consistent customers. I wouldn't blame Kevin if this was the majority of his practices honestly, but I know for certain it is not.

As for this special fish. You should read these forums often. I was blessed from some great friends (some in this post) that toss me a heads up when they hear a rumor of certain fish.

Nose to the grindstone Bryan, fortunately it looks as if RVS hit a honey hole and we will see cf lancelotus in good supply.

I know its a business and should be ran as such. When one of the cornerstones of that business practice is that there is a fairness to all, at a first come first served during the time of updates which has been stated
throughout the years then follow that model.

I had no problem finding the fish from other vendors, I have/had issues with several and trust Divers Den and their fish. With the large numbers RVS collected all I had to do was wait patiently for DD to put them for sale.
If I knew they would "cater" to customers, I would have asked. I would have purchased the ones on monday if not for an upcoming trip.

I won't say anything more other than I am disappointed along with several others to hear that there are others being "catered" to with Divers Den fishes.

Bryan

 

[eatbreakfast]

This TBH.

I don't agree with the usage of "dwarf" and "pintail". It's way too confusing.

I find this interesting, and have tried to give it some thought. I kinda like the use "dwarf" to describe the group of Cirrhilabrus that includes johnsoni, lunatus, squirei, brunneus, and cf lanceolatus/pintail.

This group is clearly a complex unto itself, due to their size, and coloring. Refering to them as "dwarf" sp. is just as simple as refering to them as either lunatus complex or johnsoni complex as these are the only 2 valid names out of the group currently. This just gives anyone that is interested a further way to narrow down an entire Genus.

Yet another feature that sets this group apart is the frequency of hybrids, which is extremely rare , if not unheard of in other Cirrhilabrus species, yet is encountered fairly frequently(for hybrids anyway), in the wild, and making its way into aquaria.

The use of pintail, I agree, should exclusively be used for cf. lanceolatus.

 

[YKTea]

This TBH.

I don't agree with the usage of "dwarf" and "pintail". It's way too confusing.

I find this interesting, and have tried to give it some thought. I kinda like the use "dwarf" to describe the group of Cirrhilabrus that includes johnsoni, lunatus, squirei, brunneus, and cf lanceolatus/pintail.

This group is clearly a complex unto itself, due to their size, and coloring. Refering to them as "dwarf" sp. is just as simple as refering to them as either lunatus complex or johnsoni complex as these are the only 2 valid names out of the group currently. This just gives anyone that is interested a further way to narrow down an entire Genus.

Yet another feature that sets this group apart is the frequency of hybrids, which is extremely rare , if not unheard of in other Cirrhilabrus species, yet is encountered fairly frequently(for hybrids anyway), in the wild, and making its way into aquaria.

The use of pintail, I agree, should exclusively be used for cf. lanceolatus.

yes i agree.

"dwarf" is very apt for johnsoni squirei lunatus etc. but because of the "pintail" confusion being used for lanceolatus, and "dwarf pintail" coming into play, it's kinda confusing.

the confusion stemming from the "dwarf" of course would be eliminated entirely if we stop calling lanceolatus "pintail". then the term "dwarf" would be very useful indeed.

compare this complex against giants like C. laboutei, lineatus etc. dwarf indeed! :thumbsup:

 

[albano]

Maybe if you were running a non-profit charity. I think its silly to expect a business not to occasionally cater to its more consistent customers. I wouldn't blame Kevin if this was the majority of his practices honestly, but I know for certain it is not.

+1... You'd be hard pressed to find ANY company, anywhere, that does not 'cater' to certain customers!

 

[Marshall O]

compare this complex against giants like C. laboutei, lineatus etc. dwarf indeed! :thumbsup:

But what about the giants in the Lubbocki complex

 

[YKTea]

But what about the giants in the Lubbocki complex

I think Marjorie, cenderawasih, walindi and lubbocki are similar, and are all medium sized fairies. Not sure if adornatus and flavidorsalis belongs here but the females are similar. Maybe 2 groups. Hunter should know more.

All have entered the trade before with walindi and cenderawasih being the rarest and only appearing once or twice in Japan. Both are so beautiful but I can't post the pics as they are in a magazine.

There's a video from shutter stock showing wild walindi in Solomon Islands. So gorgeous.

 

[Marshall O]

C. adornatus, C. flavidorsalis, C. marjorie, and C. walindi are all in the Lubbocki complex I would not consider them medium sized at all.

 

[evolved]

Maybe it's how I tend to think about the term "dwarf" and hence the reason I have reservations against it. To me, dwarf implies a smaller version of the original as a sub-species. Think in the sense of plants/flowers. But it I get outside my own head and look at that from a different perspective, there could be something about it that works.

 

[evolved]

I think Marjorie, cenderawasih, walindi and lubbocki are similar, and are all medium sized fairies. Not sure if adornatus and flavidorsalis belongs here but the females are similar. Maybe 2 groups. Hunter should know more.

They're all in the same complex IMO.

 

[YKTea]

C. adornatus, C. flavidorsalis, C. marjorie, and C. walindi are all in the Lubbocki complex I would not consider them medium sized at all.

Really? I think they are fairly mid sized. Scott's is what I would call large. The Australian ones sometimes come in looking like parrotfish. Or maybe those are XL. :eek1:

I've not much experience with the Lubbock group. Only kept Marjorie once. For awhile. Mine was a shy and reserved specimen even with females.

 

[Crimson]

Yay!

Yay!

Here you go:

- The bag was on the cooler side so rather do the normal bucket drip I made this up.



-Top view, the SG in the bag was at 1.018 the qt is at 1.026 which matches my DT



-Bag View



Pics are kinda meh sorry!

 

[Marshall O]

Really? I think they are fairly mid sized. Scott's is what I would call large. The Australian ones sometimes come in looking like parrotfish. Or maybe those are XL. :eek1:

I've not much experience with the Lubbock group. Only kept Marjorie once. For awhile. Mine was a shy and reserved specimen even with females.

They max at about 3". I have seen ~3" C. johnsoni, so to me it seems the Lubbocki and "Johnsoni" complexes are the smallest either way. I personally would consider medium sized those 4-5", and large above 5". But that is just me; I'm not sure if there is anything official.

 

[Deinonych]

Here you go:

Where did you get yours?

 

[Marshall O]

Two more tonight coming on DD.

 

[Crimson]

where did you get yours?

nya

 

[MikeandNicole]

The wife needed a Christmas present for me so, I have one of each coming my way. Can't wait.

 

[eatbreakfast]

Maybe it's how I tend to think about the term "dwarf" and hence the reason I have reservations against it. To me, dwarf implies a smaller version of the original as a sub-species. Think in the sense of plants/flowers. But it I get outside my own head and look at that from a different perspective, there could be something about it that works.

Actually, there is precedence with fish. Looking to the freshwater genus of Corydoras there are a number of species known as pygmy corys because of there smaller size. They are their own species and not sub-species.

There are also a number of Genera of cichlids that are considered dwarf cichlids, this is because they are smaller than other Genera of cichlids.

There are other examples with guppies and plecos as well.

So it would be quite appropriate to refer to these smaller species as dwarf fairy wrasses as a further means to differentiate this group.

 

[aandfsoccr04]

How are they doing for you all?

 

[takayan]

Mine is from DD a month ago, still doing great!

 

[evolved]

Doing well here.