Split them?

Tamarae

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I have this new awesome zoa combo that came from divers den. It's at least 3 types/colors but they look crowded to me. It looks like it was once several frags all put on one larger (about 5") plate. Should I split them amongst several rocks in my tank so that they will not crowd each other out? What would you do?

Thanks for sharing your experience. I've never fragged anything or split up multiples so I will look up tutorials if need be.


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I really want all of my corals to grow and cover and spread. Love the colony look. Just don't want one color to choke out another. Will they do that or will they all live intermingled without over growing?
 
Yes if given enough time some colors will weed out others , beauty about cutting you ask?

It grows lol


You wouldn't plant all your seeds in one planter would you? Same applies

plus youll get better growth and a lot more babies when they don't have to.compete for realestate or for light;)
 
Thank you. :). It's a gorgeous colony, but I also want more of all of them. If I could give them an inch or two between they'd fill in nicely I think.

But it's the only true colony in my tank right now due to young tank age.

I sisal those blue greens with orange middles are 2-3 with huge sunny yellow faces. I really want to get those spreading instead of lost.

I've become quite the zoa addict. It's gonna be time for an intervention soon.
 
Looks like an established colony... The only problem I have seen with those types of rocks is that the larger zoas will open up larger and not let the smaller ones get light.
 
"Fragging" them will sometimes slow down their growth.
You'll take the risk of hurting them also.
Best thing to do is to place other rocks around those and let them take over the rocks.
I wouldn't touch them at all.
You could also place them over a bigger rock and they will grow from there.
Make sure you use epoxy so the rock doesn't keep moving around.

It's a matter of taste...
I guess you should do what you really want.

Grandis.
 
Well, I havent touched them yet. I won't do anything until I'm completely sure - so far they're just too pretty to touch. I'm afraid of ruining them and regretting it later.
 
"Fragging" them will sometimes slow down their growth.
You'll take the risk of hurting them also.
Best thing to do is to place other rocks around those and let them take over the rocks.
I wouldn't touch them at all.
You could also place them over a bigger rock and they will grow from there.
Make sure you use epoxy so the rock doesn't keep moving around.

It's a matter of taste...
I guess you should do what you really want.

Grandis.


It's actually a wholesale made rock lol you can tell it was pieced together , a lot of suppliers sell these combo rocks and it's common practice for them.


As for fragging slowing down growth it will at first( were talking days) because of its natural defense to predators, but then growth becomes better for obvious reasons, zoanthids can only grow polyps where room is available , polyps don't spilt or come out from no where so it's about real estate or available room.........it's all about growth and the availability to spread.

Where there's light there's growth it's pretty simple , larger pieces hit a growth stop , meaning the baby polyps have to reach out for light and often the bigger polyps suck up what's available , growth is dependent on babies no?

Why does a 1 polyp frag split 3-4 babies almost in its first week or two? Because one polyp doesn't shade out light , it goes like this until about 10 polyps then growth slows down , as the larger polyps focus on getting bigger the babies struggle to find room to grow out.

Some have better success then other dependant on type of zoanthid and how they grow but for the most part it's a guarantee.

I'm all about growth , what's the fastest way to make my "x" polyp into "xxx" , I've learned growth is completely dependent on babies , no babies and no growth , so it comes down to what's the fastest way to get babies? Well that's easy, provide them with light and flow, the basics of what they need.


I'm not on a computer so I'll try to explain like this


Picture this letter " o " as a polyp looking top down , growth is 360degrees around the polyp , result is usually 3-4 babies within a week


Now after a month or two it becomes this

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0000


Growth still happens as the adults aren't quite crowded yet but it will not be as fast

As they grow out more less room becomes available in the center so the outer edge is where the potential and best chance for reproduction is happening.




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The babies at this time struggle when compared to the smaller colonies , the first to pop out is where light hits the most so its angle dependent , luck of the draw well say.


So knowing how it grows and reproduces tells us what we can do to get the best growth, we provide them with room and access to light and flow.

It's actually very interesting to test out and makes complete sense in a world dedicated to growing andbtakingbup useable space.

Of course there's a lot of variables to consider but this is basically the rule.


Hth


Denny
 
Thanks for the great explanation, Denny. I'm going to take a good look at my tank and see if I can find a way to make the best use of the light available for them. I love each and every one of the polyps and want to see them all succeed and be beautiful. :)

I also have a few new rocks coming so I can spread and stack on my tank better too.
 
Thanks for the great explanation, Denny. I'm going to take a good look at my tank and see if I can find a way to make the best use of the light available for them. I love each and every one of the polyps and want to see them all succeed and be beautiful. :)

I also have a few new rocks coming so I can spread and stack on my tank better too.

Lighting and flow are what it needs for reproduction , in any case this is a guarantee, with good flow provides good nutrients , proper lighting gives it the energy it needs to reproduce.

So will large colonies grow?

Absolutely , how does an animal survive if it had such a poor way of reproduction? Survival of the fittest , larger polyps dominate while smaller ones strive to get by . Life isn't forever and usable space will become available as is the cycle of life.


Believe it or not you can help your pieces grow! Not by polluting your tank with something it only needs a small percent of anyways to make up its daily needs but by planting a path for it to grow.

Here's a great thing I found.


I have a large colonie of Aussie delightful palythoas , the rock started off as single polyp on a travertine 1" x 1" tile ,they polyps are huge almost 1-1 1/2" sized , sucks for the babies right? They come out smaller then green peas , so this fist sized clump of palys i ended up with get big fat heads but doesn't really grow anymore , I scraped off the sides and bottom of the tile leaving only the top covered , then I glued a second tile. As time went by babies spread down the tile , once they got big( again light angle dependent) I glued another tile and they continued on that path , so now it's a growing healthy colonie .

Take a rock and shave it with a diamond blade into a pyramid shape rock , flatten off the top and glue some zoanthids on it and watch how fast it spreads , it's insane !!

So if you want to avoid any actual cutting like mentioned by grandis just add a growth paltform and remove when you feel it's safe to do so.
 
On that particular plate I know for certain there are a few zoa facing down, they'd be great to do the pyramid shaped rock like you've said to watch their growth rate. Knowing theyre not getting much light anyway is a good reason to move at least a few of them. If nothing else I can loosen them from the bottom and give them something facing up beside it to grow on.
 
It's actually a wholesale made rock lol you can tell it was pieced together , a lot of suppliers sell these combo rocks and it's common practice for them.


As for fragging slowing down growth it will at first( were talking days) because of its natural defense to predators, but then growth becomes better for obvious reasons, zoanthids can only grow polyps where room is available , polyps don't spilt or come out from no where so it's about real estate or available room.........it's all about growth and the availability to spread.

Where there's light there's growth it's pretty simple , larger pieces hit a growth stop , meaning the baby polyps have to reach out for light and often the bigger polyps suck up what's available , growth is dependent on babies no?

Why does a 1 polyp frag split 3-4 babies almost in its first week or two? Because one polyp doesn't shade out light , it goes like this until about 10 polyps then growth slows down , as the larger polyps focus on getting bigger the babies struggle to find room to grow out.

Some have better success then other dependant on type of zoanthid and how they grow but for the most part it's a guarantee.

I'm all about growth , what's the fastest way to make my "x" polyp into "xxx" , I've learned growth is completely dependent on babies , no babies and no growth , so it comes down to what's the fastest way to get babies? Well that's easy, provide them with light and flow, the basics of what they need.


I'm not on a computer so I'll try to explain like this


Picture this letter " o " as a polyp looking top down , growth is 360degrees around the polyp , result is usually 3-4 babies within a week


Now after a month or two it becomes this

0000
0000


Growth still happens as the adults aren't quite crowded yet but it will not be as fast

As they grow out more less room becomes available in the center so the outer edge is where the potential and best chance for reproduction is happening.




0000000
0000000
0000000


The babies at this time struggle when compared to the smaller colonies , the first to pop out is where light hits the most so its angle dependent , luck of the draw well say.


So knowing how it grows and reproduces tells us what we can do to get the best growth, we provide them with room and access to light and flow.

It's actually very interesting to test out and makes complete sense in a world dedicated to growing andbtakingbup useable space.

Of course there's a lot of variables to consider but this is basically the rule.


Hth


Denny

To place them on a rock and let them take over.
:D
Grandis.
 
On that particular plate I know for certain there are a few zoa facing down, they'd be great to do the pyramid shaped rock like you've said to watch their growth rate. Knowing theyre not getting much light anyway is a good reason to move at least a few of them. If nothing else I can loosen them from the bottom and give them something facing up beside it to grow on.

You have many options there.
Every one will tell you what they would do.
They will grow if you keep params stable, good flow/light, and tank feet of pests/ predators/ irritators.
It's up t you, really.
Not a big deal.
:thumbsup:

Grandis.
 
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