SPS Robertus netherlands 50 G

Hi, thanks for your reply.
Nice, You have really read some of this thread!!

My answer could take many hours!!

To answer some of your questions,

In the past 16 years I have used all kinds of methods for keeping reef animals. For me the best method would be the one who get the tank close to nature. I always look for answers there.
Now, I use all methods available to get as close as possible to a natural complete enviroment.

But I am also a human. I have preferences. This, I call beautiful and that not. Nature is completely neutral. My preferences are health, colors and delicate forms. So I tend to choose for them.

Zeo is a good method to regulate nutrient levels in water.
No more and no less. If someone thinks zeo is the answer to all problems I would have to say it is an instrument together with many others.
It gives me some of my preferences but I think it is not a very natural method. It tends to give a poorer biodiversity in time and that, I don't like. At first colors get better because of the nutrient export and the reefkeeper is very happy. But after some time the poor biodiversity can give all kinds of health problems in the tank. The reefkeeper can help to keep thing going but the biodiversity remains really low. I have also had this problem.

So now I use zeo to adjust to some of the preferences I have and I now strive for a big biodiversity. So I give all kinds of foods everywhere in the nutrient chain and have seen the biodiversity increase. This big biodiversity now cleans the water and this is more natural.

My corals are darker than in the zeo tanks but I still think they are beautiful enough and my corals are very healthy. Growth is enormous, No STN/RTN problems and my tank is very stable.



I think the special thing about my tank is that it is only 50G.
And this is a size available and affordable for many reefkeepers.
It has a very good rockscape, not yet seen in many tanks this size.
And it contains over 100 healthy growing SPS and more than 60 nano fish and other very beautiful nano animals.
I haven't talked about this yet in this section but nano animals are very beautiful and have lots of room to live in my tank.
So, in every corner of this tank something is going on and you just cannot see it all!!

To get a tank like this working and to keep all inhabitants healty is a real challenge!!


Grt,

Robertus.





<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13773403#post13773403 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dv0920
Robertus,
Thanks for posting your tank, very beautiful indeed!

I have a few questions.

Obviously, because you mentioned posting this tank previously on a Zeo forum your tank I am assuming is a Zeo driven tank.

Do you find your colors have improved greatly since the use of Zeo?

Would you reccommend this to sps keepers and if so why?

I am assuming also since you haven't discussed or shown pictures of your sump.fuge that you might be waiting to get TOTM or something similar to show us the detail.




Todd March you mentioned with regard to skimmerless tanks that:





I wanted to say that one of the most impressive tanks we all know is a skimmerless tank. That would be Steve Tyree's he uses a cryptic fuge and I believe does not run a skimmer.


I really think his tank is amazing for that reason, as it replicates varying aspects of the reef that we do not normally do in our home reefs, even fringe reef systems.

Robertus, do you add any interesting items to your reef, that tend to fall outside of the normal reef setup?

sincerely,
D
 
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My tank was DTOTQ on zeovit.com 3rd quarter 2008
And TOTM on ultimatereef.com in august.

Also a search for sps robertus will give many results in other forums.


Grt,

Robertus

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13775632#post13775632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tatoofr
HI,
I was looking for your tank on the zeo forum but couldnt find it. Do you have the link. Great tank.
 
I am amazed by the number of fish in this beautiful 50 gallon tank!

2 Peppermint Goby (Coryphopterus lipernes)
5 Twostripe Pygmy-Goby (eviota bifasciata)
2 Red-Blotched Pygmy-Goby (trimma rubromaculatus)
5 Candycane Pygmy-Goby (trimma cana)
2 Stripehead goby (trimma striata)
2 Masked Goby (coryphopterus personatus)
5 Pellucida Pygmy-Goby (eviota pellucida)
2 Full-moon Reef Goby (priolepsis nocturna)
3 Benjamen's Pygmy-Goby (trimma benjameni)
2 Spikefin Goby (Discordipinna griessingeri)
5 Naude's rubble goby (Trimma naudei)
2 Yellowprow goby (Elacatinus xanthiprora)
2 Bluestripe Pipefish (Doryrhamphus excisus) - pair
2 Yasha Hase Shrimp Goby (Stonogobiops Yasha) with Pistol Shrimp (alpheus randalli)
1 Filament-finned prawn-goby (stonogobiops nematodes) Pistol Shrimp (alpheus randalli)
1 Blenny (emblemaria species)
1 Tailspot Blenny (escenius stigmatura)
1 Fathead Anthias (serranocirrhitus latus)
1 Adorned wrasse (biochoeres cosmetes)
1 Six Line Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia)
2 Threadfin cardinalfish (Apogon leptacanthus)
1 Black Leopard Wrasse (macropharyggodon negrosensis)
1 Yellow Tang (zebrazoma flavescens)
 
Robertus,
Thank you for that indepth reply! Much appreaciated your time and effort especially considering English I am sure is not your first language. I was suprsed to see the huge list of Goby's and Blenny's as well as pipefish and Wrasses in your 50g.

How long did it take you to compile this list as compatible and not end up with predation?

I have often wanted to add more fish to my aquairum to add diversity, however I often find myself leaning to buy large fish (angels and the like) Not recognizing that my 70+g cannot handle such a bioload permanently.

I have not run zeo on my system yet, I was thinking of trying it, however, I prefer simplicity and with my low bioload I doubt zeo would truly offer me that much i in the way of mprovements.

What is your feeding schedule like?

sincerely,
D
 
Hi, dv0920.

It took me 1 year to compile these fish.
The gobies are not always available so I bought them each month a few more. Once introduced, they search for their own place to live; often a coral stone or a cave. Once they have found it, new species can be introduced.

I feed them 5 times a day, cyclops, lobster eggs, mysis, artemia etc. Some of the really small gobies have very big mouths!! they only want the bigger parts.

Some of them even want inapropriate food! See this picture:

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Grt,

Robertus.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13781123#post13781123 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dv0920
Robertus,
Thank you for that indepth reply! Much appreaciated your time and effort especially considering English I am sure is not your first language. I was suprsed to see the huge list of Goby's and Blenny's as well as pipefish and Wrasses in your 50g.

How long did it take you to compile this list as compatible and not end up with predation?

I have often wanted to add more fish to my aquairum to add diversity, however I often find myself leaning to buy large fish (angels and the like) Not recognizing that my 70+g cannot handle such a bioload permanently.

I have not run zeo on my system yet, I was thinking of trying it, however, I prefer simplicity and with my low bioload I doubt zeo would truly offer me that much i in the way of mprovements.

What is your feeding schedule like?

sincerely,
D
 
No fuge.
A picture of my sump.


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Grt,

Robertus

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13779922#post13779922 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poknsnok
do you run a fuge ? have pics of the equipment?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13782080#post13782080 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Robertus
...Zeo is a good method to regulate nutrient levels in water.
No more and no less.

Robertus, thank you for your words of wisdom about Zeovit. I am running my second Zeovit tank in 5 years, and am getting tired of people approaching me with the anticipation that Zeovit will provide them with everything that they need to add/dose to their tanks and VOILA, provide them with the perfect and easy reef tank for SPS corals.

The basic 4 Zeovit products are a wonderful way to get ultra low nutrient levels, no more, no less. And if you get nutrient levels too low (by not feeding enough of many different things), colors will suffer, and many get the pastel look classic Zeovit colors. Too many reefers do not seem to understand that nutrients are our friends and that we need them in our tanks for the well being of livestock. But we need very low levels, and it's a constant balance of import and export. I have found Zeovit to be a very good part of this game plan. I like the fact that I do not have to utilize a refugium or GFO's or a denitrification filter in order to regulate nutrients. As a plus, the bacteria involved with the Zeovit system adds yet another source of possible food for the corals.

When people ask what the secret to good coral color is, I always tell them the biggest factors are controlling the import and export of nutrients (which includes cleaning and general husbandry techniques), which really is having a good game plan (which could or could not include Zeovit) to deal with NO3 and PO4 levels; and selecting corals with a good genetic disposition for strong coloration. I consider lighting a secondary factorâ€"it can help, but it can't add what's not there already.

It's that simple really...
 
Thanks Todd,

Let's hope everyone has thought well about his gameplan.

Grt,

Robertus.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13782121#post13782121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Todd March
Robertus, thank you for your words of wisdom about Zeovit. I am running my second Zeovit tank in 5 years, and am getting tired of people approaching me with the anticipation that Zeovit will provide them with everything that they need to add/dose to their tanks and VOILA, provide them with the perfect and easy reef tank for SPS corals.

The basic 4 Zeovit products are a wonderful way to get ultra low nutrient levels, no more, no less. And if you get nutrient levels too low (by not feeding enough of many different things), colors will suffer, and many get the pastel look classic Zeovit colors. Too many reefers do not seem to understand that nutrients are our friends and that we need them in our tanks for the well being of livestock. But we need very low levels, and it's a constant balance of import and export. I have found Zeovit to be a very good part of this game plan. I like the fact that I do not have to utilize a refugium or GFO's or a denitrification filter in order to regulate nutrients. As a plus, the bacteria involved with the Zeovit system adds yet another source of possible food for the corals.

When people ask what the secret to good coral color is, I always tell them the biggest factors are controlling the import and export of nutrients (which includes cleaning and general husbandry techniques), which really is having a good game plan (which could or could not include Zeovit) to deal with NO3 and PO4 levels; and selecting corals with a good genetic disposition for strong coloration. I consider lighting a secondary factorâ€"it can help, but it can't add what's not there already.

It's that simple really...
 
Robertus,
I am astounded by your admonition that it took you a year to compile your list and aquire your livestock, that's nothing short of true dedication and forthesight. I have made many errors in my short reefing career of 5+ years with my livestock choices. I am always finding that I feed too little to accomplish truly happy fish over having to do numerous water changes. I am always looking for a balance, currently I have such a balance but lack diversity in my reef as far as livestock.

My next goal is to diversify my reef ( not my stocks) and get some tunicates, sea squirts, perhaps a few more corals.

I can say your tank is a truly an inspriration. Many thanks.

Sincerely,
D
 
Thanks dv0920.

I really love CORALS, want to share some pics...

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Grt,

Robertus.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13785928#post13785928 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dv0920
Robertus,
I am astounded by your admonition that it took you a year to compile your list and aquire your livestock, that's nothing short of true dedication and forthesight. I have made many errors in my short reefing career of 5+ years with my livestock choices. I am always finding that I feed too little to accomplish truly happy fish over having to do numerous water changes. I am always looking for a balance, currently I have such a balance but lack diversity in my reef as far as livestock.

My next goal is to diversify my reef ( not my stocks) and get some tunicates, sea squirts, perhaps a few more corals.

I can say your tank is a truly an inspriration. Many thanks.

Sincerely,
D
 
Small picture update.
The tank is doing fine.
Changed some sand and small rebuild of the right side to keep the structure more open.


Grt,

Robertus.


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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13782121#post13782121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Todd March
Robertus, thank you for your words of wisdom about Zeovit. I am running my second Zeovit tank in 5 years, and am getting tired of people approaching me with the anticipation that Zeovit will provide them with everything that they need to add/dose to their tanks and VOILA, provide them with the perfect and easy reef tank for SPS corals.

The basic 4 Zeovit products are a wonderful way to get ultra low nutrient levels, no more, no less. And if you get nutrient levels too low (by not feeding enough of many different things), colors will suffer, and many get the pastel look classic Zeovit colors. Too many reefers do not seem to understand that nutrients are our friends and that we need them in our tanks for the well being of livestock. But we need very low levels, and it's a constant balance of import and export. I have found Zeovit to be a very good part of this game plan. I like the fact that I do not have to utilize a refugium or GFO's or a denitrification filter in order to regulate nutrients. As a plus, the bacteria involved with the Zeovit system adds yet another source of possible food for the corals.

When people ask what the secret to good coral color is, I always tell them the biggest factors are controlling the import and export of nutrients (which includes cleaning and general husbandry techniques), which really is having a good game plan (which could or could not include Zeovit) to deal with NO3 and PO4 levels; and selecting corals with a good genetic disposition for strong coloration. I consider lighting a secondary factorâ€"it can help, but it can't add what's not there already.

It's that simple really...

Very Well-Put + nicely explained.
It is very simple but took me couple of years to finally beginning to understand. :) :) :)

1st year softies + LPS -> 2nd year so so SPS -> 3rd year coloful SPS
Experience is very important in this hobby.
 
I have seriously been considering starting Zeo in my tank Robertus. I was hoping you could lay out exactly what you dose for your tank?
 
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