Starting my propogation business...

chewitback

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So I have been propogating corals and selling frags here and there to pet stores for a while now, but I think it's time to take this to the next level. I'm planning on making this into a larger scale business with the building of a greenhouse. I have the demand, the brood stock, etc, but I haven't seen first hand an actual coral greenhouse for coral propogation in action. Does anyone have a propogation system with a greenhouse? I have about a smabillion questions if you do...
 
There is a greenhouse with the most wonderfull looking corals in Copley Ohio. Its called- Tidal Gardens. Its not huge like that of plants but the entire make-up of the greenhouse is truly amazing. there is a website www.tidalgardens.com.
 
Check out Amfyn, sunlit propogation system from South Africa. He is on Reef Central so can fire him with all your questions.
 
Smabillion? Lol, isn't that about half our national debt now?

Anyhow, post your findings here please as I am following along now just out of curiosities sake!
 
I'm looking into building one large enough to sustain around 8-10k gallons. I'm already working with a local heating and AC company to work out a geothermal heating and coooling for it.
As for Anthony Calfo, I like his work and have read over my copy several times. Unfortunately he gives little info on actual returns to be expected in a greenhouse over using artificial lighting. I have tried to e-mail him a couple times, but readingtrees.com seems to think there is something wrong with the e-mail...

Robvdv, do corals truely color up better in natural light than artificial lighting? Is natural lighting that much better than halides for growth rate? How do you shade or diffuse light for your lower lighting specimens? How large is your system? What was the biggest thing you wish you had done the first time around and what would you change now about how you set it up if you could do it over again?
 
Robvdv, do corals truely color up better in natural light than artificial lighting?

Different, but not better IME. I find they can look a little washed out under natural sunlight, but when you move them to a regular tank they appear very (more?) fluorescent again. Depends how much light they're getting in the GH.

Is natural lighting that much better than halides for growth rate?

Depends. I struggle to get the light balance right. I shade a lot, and I've played with a PAR meter but don't have access to one full time. The light variation can be a problem with natural sunlight. In general, I think the growth is better with sunlight as long as you can get the intensity right.

How do you shade or diffuse light for your lower lighting specimens?

Greenhouse polyethylene and blue shade netting. I also raise and lower the coral in the tanks and sometimes cover individual specimens in the tank with a net basket.

How large is your system?

Around 20sq meters/12000 liters

What was the biggest thing you wish you had done the first time around and what would you change now about how you set it up if you could do it over again?

Better insulation, probably. Otherwise I've done okay. I hit a few stupid problems (got zinc shavings from drilling in the tanks and had to replace all the water. Ouch.) but no huge regrets.

Should have sorted out my ventilation in the beginning. Should have used more off the shelf components, instead of DIY'ing so much stuff. DIY has been a bit of a false economy for me. I wind up sinking huge amounts of time into trivial things, and then maintaining them when they break later.

Should have maybe gone for a more modestly sized system and done it better, than going for a large system and not having the time or cash to get it rolling properly.

Hmm, now that I think about it there are a few regrets :)

I've done some stuff right, though. I spent a lot of time and effort plumbing the tanks properly. I put up a lot of shelving, which has proved very valuable. In general, I've emphasized good infrastructure over getting the coral in ASAP, and this has allowed me to experiment with a few corals under different circumstances over the seasons. I've killed a few (stainless steel rusting, zinc shavings, too much light) but I could have killed a lot more if I'd been gung ho about stocking up too soon.

If I can make one recommendation, it's experiment. Greenhouse growing is different to frag tank growing. You can mess yourself up if you over-invest in a system which ultimately doesn't wind up working for you.
 
If anyone is interested in an update, I have started getting in contact withba few greenhouse farmers, several companies for needed supplies... And I'm going to be helped along by the best consultant In the business I could think of for this project ;). More updates to come, hopefully with pictures of progress as things pan out. PS, I found aragonite available for very cheap from the biz that brings it to the us from the bahamas, but I would have to buy 2,000 tons of it. Anyone have an extra $150,000 floating around that needs 1,975 tons of sand?
 
If anyone is interested in an update, I have started getting in contact withba few greenhouse farmers, several companies for needed supplies... And I'm going to be helped along by the best consultant In the business I could think of for this project ;). More updates to come, hopefully with pictures of progress as things pan out. PS, I found aragonite available for very cheap from the biz that brings it to the us from the bahamas, but I would have to buy 2,000 tons of it. Anyone have an extra $150,000 floating around that needs 1,975 tons of sand?

LOL! Well that certainly kills that idea... maybe a aragonite bagging and coral prop business ?
 
You should check out Reef Systems in New Albany, OH. Todd is the owner and I bet if you give him a call he will help guide you in your process. He even just got a research grant to do studies on Co2 impact on reefs.

Another huge one is Tropicorium Mini Reef in Michigan.

Scott
 
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