Stray Voltage

because most of the times it is fish stores that tell you that, and they probably paid 4 bucks for the probe in the first place. I would be interested in seeing some actual data confirming this. Forgive my above comment, as i am just being sarcastic, but i wonder if anyone has done major testing with this. Besides an amprobe and at home conclusions.
 
Any of guys like Gary want to chime in on this....I'm just curious if some of the larger aquariums that he has dealt with ever needed grounding probes.
 
Matrexz,

I have read just as many articles debunking the stray voltage lateral line connection as I have that support the idea. To me it seems like one of the many topics in this hobby where you can get a different answer depending on the source each with a valid sounding argument :)
 
Yea it does I hate that I like clear cut answers but I should be use to that by now. Yea Steve I'm definately in.
 
How about an experiment. Have a tank with a live but hated fish in it. Stick a live wire in it. See how the fish does without the ground. Of coures you have to be careful that you don't ground it with your hand. Now lets ground it and see what happens then. We may have to have two fish in case both options kills the fish.

Any crazy takers. I can see Travis sticking his hand up and yelling. uuw uuw me, I wanna do it., hahahaha
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8355303#post8355303 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Russ Braaten
How about an experiment. Have a tank with a live but hated fish in it. Stick a live wire in it. See how the fish does without the ground. Of coures you have to be careful that you don't ground it with your hand. Now lets ground it and see what happens then. We may have to have two fish in case both options kills the fish.

Any crazy takers. I can see Travis sticking his hand up and yelling. uuw uuw me, I wanna do it., hahahaha

Russ your cracking me up!

the ground probe is more of a protection for the one sticking his hand in the tank more then anything....

JMO

charlie
 
Like i said, i didn't ground the tank to help the fish, i did it to save me. My voltage problem isn't a faulty equipment issue, it's a 1957 clothe insulated wire and poorly grounded outlet issue that has 4 plug strips poked in it lol. I drilled a hole, and drove a copper grounding rod 8 ft. under the slab, and grounded to that instead of the bad outlet. I haven't noticed any effect at all on anything except how much it hurts to put my hand in the water. I have watched the fish closely while removing the probe and re grouding, and can't tell that it effects them at all. I would think that if i were charging the water as has been suggested, that i would catch a slight twitch or something, right as the probe hit the water.

I'm no edumacated electrician or anything, but i have built and wired a few houses in my day, enough that my name used to be on the preffered contractors list at the National Register of Historic buildings, and i think i understand electricity a little bit. Electricity follows the path of least resistance to the closest ground it can find. So the way i see it, since all of the equipment, and none of the fish are in the sump, 100% of any current that i may have created with the grounding probe, is exiting the water without ever traveling through all of the pipes up to the display. It doesn't just fill every inch of the water with current, rather the current would run straight from the source to the ground. If a fish were to swim throught this path, the current would still take the path of least resistance, which would not be through, but around the fish.

Also it's hard to get around the fact that the ocean is grounded, and due to the movement, and salinity of the water alone, there is always current present. If anything, the grounded enviroment is more natural to the fish then an ungrounded one. We will see over time, but i won't be getting shocked in the mean time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8355559#post8355559 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dugg
Like i said, i didn't ground the tank to help the fish, i did it to save me. My voltage problem isn't a faulty equipment issue, it's a 1957 clothe insulated wire and poorly grounded outlet issue that has 4 plug strips poked in it lol. I drilled a hole, and drove a copper grounding rod 8 ft. under the slab, and grounded to that instead of the bad outlet. I haven't noticed any effect at all on anything except how much it hurts to put my hand in the water. I have watched the fish closely while removing the probe and re grouding, and can't tell that it effects them at all. I would think that if i were charging the water as has been suggested, that i would catch a slight twitch or something, right as the probe hit the water.

I'm no edumacated electrician or anything, but i have built and wired a few houses in my day, enough that my name used to be on the preffered contractors list at the National Register of Historic buildings, and i think i understand electricity a little bit. Electricity follows the path of least resistance to the closest ground it can find. So the way i see it, since all of the equipment, and none of the fish are in the sump, 100% of any current that i may have created with the grounding probe, is exiting the water without ever traveling through all of the pipes up to the display. It doesn't just fill every inch of the water with current, rather the current would run straight from the source to the ground. If a fish were to swim throught this path, the current would still take the path of least resistance, which would not be through, but around the fish.

Also it's hard to get around the fact that the ocean is grounded, and due to the movement, and salinity of the water alone, there is always current present. If anything, the grounded enviroment is more natural to the fish then an ungrounded one. We will see over time, but i won't be getting shocked in the mean time.
 
So you are saying that the wiring in your home is causing voltage leaking into your tank? Or are you just reffering to the grounding issue? If you went to the trouble of putting that ground rod under your slab, wouldnt it have been easier to ground your outlets to that? By the way, in the event that there was a major in your tank. I would think that very small wire that is used on those grounding prongs would melt alot sooner than say that of the source of the voltage (i.e. the cord on your maxijet) So IMO, the grounding probe is taking away everything in your tank short of being lethal.

For those interested in testing this. I will make a make shift grounding probe with similar wire. And use cord like on a maxi jet, i would put money that the probe would sever connection before the break tripped. Any takers?
 
If i were in Oklahoma, that ground rod would have been a task, but Florida is a sand dune with trees, so it was a 5 minute job. It took longer to locate my long mason bits then it did to drill the hole and push the rod in. And yes i think my electric outlet is a partial cause of the problem, due to it not being properly grounded, but it's gonna stay that way until i can afford to fix it right. I know better then to get into that old clothe wiring and not just replace it all. It can get expensive in a hurry. If i wanted to do it myself, it wouldn't be that big a deal, but i'm way past that hard work stage lol. If the house burns down, State Farm will be so gracious as to buy me a new one, so it's all good lol.
 
I would take that bet if and only if the resistance of the water is actually close to what I measured:

12k Ohms when the probes are 1 inch apart. If that is close to correct, there will be only about 120/12000=.01 Amps. And that is if the ground probe is only 1" away from the faulty equipment.

I don't know that the resistance is actually that high or not, but that is what I measured.
 
I have to chime in on this, and give a little story about water and electricity. I lived in mexico for a few years, and alot of the homes there didnt have hot water, (for taking showers and such) so I would get a 5 gal bucket of water and place a (water heater) in it... the heater consists of a wood block with the neutral wire on one end, then twisted over and over to the other hot wire. (a complete circuit) this would create lots of heat, and warm the water. One thing I noticed is I was able to touch the top of the water to test if it was hot enough, and I would not get shocked. but if I moved my hand closer to the wood block I could start to feel the shock. so from my experience with that I would think that a grounding probe would help because the electricy is trying to find th least resistance to ground. and if you are only try to remove 40volts or so. this is perfect. I was pumping 120V into that baby and couldnt feel it at the top of the water only when I got closer to it. :D
 
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