Stupid question

Landolakes

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Okay here is why I am going to ask a stupid question. The more I read about the hobby the dommer I feel and I keep reading things that seem to contradict so here goes. When I do water changes do I vacuum the cc or not. I read things on loosening bad gases and other stuff like that please help. I have been vacuuming for 1.5 years now with no problem but I would rather do the conventional then the experimental.
 
The answer to your question really depends on a lot of things.
What kind of animals are you keeping?
How old is your sandbed and how is it set up? (DSB, SSB, plenum or other)
How deep is it?
What is it composed of?
How has coral growth been?
Do you have a significant population of sandbed dwelling critters?
Are you having problems with nuisance algae?

IME disturbing a large portion of an established DSB can cause sensitive corals to RTN or STN.
A properly functioning DSB should not be disturbed.
 
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I have about a 4 inch deep bed of crushed coral and some very fine sand that I got from an established tank. The sand is white and black and was originaly bought as live sand from a bag. The tank has been set up for 1.5 years going from a 29 to a 75 about 4 months ago. All my coral is fine and growing well and I do not have an algae problem. I have been gravel vacuuming with water changes since day one but sort of confused about the effectiveness, whether good or bad since I have been reading about tank maintenance. I dont know if I should live by the if it aint broke dont fix it motto so I asked. Thanks for any other replies in advance and thanks for the promptness Gary.
 
I do not think that a deep bed of crushed coral serves for nutient export like a DSB. So I think you should disregard the "do not disturb" advice for a DSB. If you have cc and like it and it's working for you, go ahead and keep it and keep vacumming it.
 
Yeah, go with the aint broke dont fix it mentality here :). A deep bed of crushed coral won't create anaerobic aereas within it which is where some poison producing bacteria can take root. Because it lacks these anaerobic zones, there's no need to worry about disturbing it and you should do whatever you can to vaccum as efficiently as possible :D
 
I agree with Jim, unless you are depending on the sand bed for nitrate processing it is probably better to keep it clean. The sand will absorb detritus for a long time before you see bad things up above but that doesn't mean it is OK to leave it there. Eventually it can/will build up and become pretty nasty.
 
Re: Stupid question

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7546963#post7546963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Landolakes
I have been vacuuming for 1.5 years now with no problem but I would rather do the conventional then the experimental.
If you've had no problems I'd continue what you're doing.

IME anaerobic zones can exist inside a bed solely consisting of CC if it's deep enough. Anaerobic zones are very likely present if very fine sand is mixed with CC in a 4" deep sandbed.
You don't want to stir such a bed up. If you vacuum, only do small sections at a time.
 
I have a 1 inch sandbed and i always mix it up when i do waterchanges(every 2 weeks). I dont think my 1 inch sandbed is deep enough for any toxic gases to build up in two weeks and everything seems to be growing fine at this point. It all really depends on your tank.
 
I do pretty much the same as Hound. I have a one-inch bed and stir and vacuum it. When I vacuum it, I have the siphon empty through a mesh strainer, which catches some of the life in the bed. After I finish vacuuming, I add the critters back to the tank.
For your system, I would say keep doing what works for you. When you disturb the sand bed, do you ever get a rotten egg smell? If so that would be a sign of hydrogen sulfide build up which could be dangerous to your inhabitants. If you can see bellow the surface of the bed I'd look around for black sections of the sand bed, if you have them that would be bad gas building up.
You say you have black sand. I'm not really sure what that could be, Volcanic maybe? It probably has silicates in it though and that may increase the chances of diatom growth.
I know a DSB can work great, but why go through all the headaches when there are so many other options? lol
 
I just don't buy the theory that silica based sand has anything to do with diatoms. Many people use it in tanks, sand filters, DSB's and remote or bucket DSB's with no diatom growth. I used play sand in my tank when it was fish only and I didn't "know better" and there is still some in it with not a single bit of diatoms seen in the better part of a decade. In fact diatoms are probably the only nuisance algae this tank hasn't had at one time or another! There may be more functional choices, but if your mainly concerned about looks then silica sand should be OK.

I would add though, if you are vacuming it to keep it clean (good idea) then you would probably be better off with a much shallower bed, say 1-2" max. Most sand stirring critters wont go deeper then that and your chances of buildup and a resulting crash will go way down. I had a 4-5 inch bed of mixed aragonite and sand of different sizes and I found not vacuming only worked for a couple of years, and then siphoning was only partially effective because you can't get under the rock work etc. I ended up pulling 2/3 out last year which was much better. I just pulled out 99% of the rest to see if I can live with a BB, but I am probably going to add something shallow and more uniform back when I move the tank in late august.

If you have a nitrate problem use a remote DSB or DSB bucket. They are cheap, effective, easy to clean or change out every couple years if necessary, and way less of a crash risk then an in display DSB. All you need is a container of sand (fine aragonite prefered), water flow from a pump or gravity, and perhaps a bulkhead or two.
 
I agree with m-fine. silica based sand is what glass fish tanks are made out of. Yes, diatoms can pull silica out of the sand, but they can also pull it out of the walls of your tank. The limiting nutrients are still nitrate and phosphorus. if you have these there is very little you can do to limit their growth.
 
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