Taboo 210 Build

rking77573

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I'm going to go against the grain on this and while I will certainly take some heat for my choices, and will likely deserve it at least part of the time, I think it will be a fun project anyway. What can I say? I must be a glutton for punishment! I have a unique opportunity to attempt to build a thriving large reef tank without using any of the "leading name brand" equipment.

Let me say in advance that I don't have a problem with any of these manufacturers. They are the industry leaders for a reason after all. I would just like to go through the process and build my tank without spending thousands on a skimmer or hundreds on a return pump. All of the equipment that I use in the build will be a great steal on a nice piece of used equipment or something that is readily available to anyone for a reasonable price. I will probably even have a backup part for a few of the more necessary pieces in case my "cheap piece of @#$ " breaks. I will acknowledge in advance that some of the choices that I make for equipment will not work out and that will be a good learning experience for anyone else following along as well. However, some of the pieces will undoubtedly work as well or better than I expect. I look forward to everyones input whether it be constructive or mindless heckling throughout this process and I cant wait to get started. I will also be documenting the actual prices (without sales tax) of everything that I buy. My goal is to get this tank up and running for under $1800.00 without livestock. Now I have a couple of advantages here that not everyone will have, but I'm working with what Ive got. I am a home builder and therefore have access to some (not all) of my building materials and all of my trade partners' expert advice, though nothing I do will be beyond the scope of your average handyman's abilities. I will be purchasing most of my finish materials for the stand/wall and plumbing like anyone else, but I will be fishing in my "trash" piles on my job sites for good lumber etc that my folks are throwing away. You can possibly do this too if you visit your local new home development and just ask the builders if they mind. Some companies have a policy preventing them from allowing you to salvage, but not all.

I recently bought one of my inventory homes with the intention of installing my tank in between the dining area and the family room. This will require the relocation of a post and the deletion of a pony wall, but as this is a truss home I will have no load bearing issues. Because I will not have a fish room, all of my equipment will need to fit underneath the tank and I will be building a stand/cabinet out of 2x material from the job and cabinet grade plywood from my local home depot. The 210 gallon aquarium was generously donated to my by a friend (Thanks Travis!) so I am starting off ahead of the game in that I have the tank and didn't have to spend any money. The tank has a single overflow box in 1 corner with a 1 1/4" drain installed. This will be one of the determining factors in my equipment selection. I was passing by on of our many LFS recently and came across some of their old display tanks being sold for $5 each, so I picked up 2 of them to use for a sump and refugium. I'm absolutely in love with melev's sump designs and may upgrade eventually, but I'd like to try to make these work for the purposes of my project. I bought 2 bulkheads at another LFS for 12.99 each and 2 Koralia 4's for 64.99 each as well. The only other part of my project that has begun is the making of my DIY rock formations. I've spent $44 so far on Portland Cement and Salt. I've only made one formation so far (I LOVE to procrastinate sometimes) but will have enough left over for the other major formation I have planned. I will seed this with the live rock being held for me at a friends house while I work on this. Because of the small drain size in the overflow, I believe I will use a smallish 1300gph pump with DIY eductors in order to control flow through the sump and water movement in the tank. It isn't a "pressure rated" pump but I've seen the same setup working on a friends tank for quite some time and it works very well.
I've lost my train of thought now so I'll recap my expenditures so far and come back in a bit to post what I have planned.

Tank: FREE (gotta love it)
Sump: $5
Refugium: $5
Bulkheads: $25.98
Koralias: $129.98
Rockwork: $44

Total: $209.96 so far.
 
Good used stuff is the way to go, when you can find it. In putting mine together, I've gotten some great buys on nice used stuff, including dart CL pumps, iwaki 100 return pump, dual HQI PFO ballast, lumenarc reflectors, skimmer, and calcium reactor. Have saved several hundred dollars so far.
 
Skimmer

Skimmer

Has anyone on here had any past experience with the D&D Terminator 2 Skimmer? I've seen their promo videos of it in action and the price tag is right so its currently number one on my choice for "new" skimmers. I'm open to most suggestions, but I'd like to make the entire project as economical as possible. I'll be looking at used skimmers as well, but this one just caught my eye.
 
If you'er wanting to do things cheap and DIY...build your own skimmer out of PVC. You can do it all for under $100 dollars or so, and get a better skimmer than a terminator :)
 
Tank Build

Tank Build

I'm definitely considering a DIY skimmer. It's really just a matter of getting the most bang for my buck for the purposes of this build. At the same time, I don't want to pick up a piece just because it's inexpensive. I want to find cheap parts that I believe will work well. I've seen good reviews of the Terminator and I've seen luke warm reviews of it, but I haven't actually seen a (this is a piece of junk) type of review, therefore I was wondering if anyone had some real live semi long term experience with it on a large reef. I've since found a thread about one and I'm following it to check for updates over time. I would have to say that as long as I have all the necessary tools DIY on nearly anything will be my method of choice. I have a few pictures to start this off so you might be able to envision what I have in mind.
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This first picture is of the old LFS display tanks that I hope to convert
into a sump/refugium.

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This tank is the very best kind there is. The free kind! Thanks Travis!

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Making the framework for the rock out of PVC

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Pouring the base for the first rock

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The first rock is completed and in the tank soaking the salt out. (sorry its out of focus)

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Finally a shot of the area where the tank will go. I will be relocating the post there and removing the pony wall altogether. I will then build the tank stand cabinet and hood and tie the post into it so that it looks like it was intended to be there. The post is the reason why the tank will only be viewable from both long sides. I like the idea of looking through the reef into the family room or back through it into the dining room etc.
 
Yes I do. What I really need to do first is stop changing my mind on how I'm going to build it. I've had about 5 final revisions on the stand plans in my head in the past 2 weeks.
 
IMO a Terminator is WAY too small for a tank that size. You could DIY a skimmer 6"x5' out of PVC and recirc it with a $40 quiet one 3000 meshmodded, force fed with a small linear air pump bought cheap on ebay, and have a 10times better skimmer5 for less than $100 that will skim htis tank Great!

I like that the display tank doesn't have those pesky plastic crossbraces that make weird shadows. looks like somebody replaced them with glass :)
 
I'm definitely going to have to look into the meshmodded quiet one. I happen to have a quiet one pump laying around in my attic right now, I'll have to check on the size. The tank was previously used in a University Lab of some sort so I'm assuming they modified it for their purposes at that time. They even made the overflow themselves from what I've noticed. Thanks for the input on the skimmer. I appreciate it.
 
I'm certainly interested in them as well. I've collected sites with DIY skimmer plans but another set would be nice to go along with the Quiet One mod.

Thanks
 
Skimmer

Skimmer

I'm really leaning towards gravity feeding a CC Airstone skimmer if I'm going to DIY it. I will have 9 feet of height to play with on either side of the tank to use for skimmer height so the reaction chamber height requirements of the cc airstone types wont be an issue and they seem to be the most adjustable/efficient types available. This would also allow me to reduce the number of pumps in my system by at least 1 therefore making it more energy efficient over the long haul, which is a major goal of mine as well. I know Jnarowe has this skimmer design in his giant tank and it seems to work well for him. Does anyone have any input as far as my thinking goes? I could very possibly just be going crazy....that seems to be a hazard of my occupation.... but I'm liking this idea more and more.
 
I like airstone skimmers :) Your goig to be limited on the height of the skimmer by the height of your display tank if yuo are going to gravity feed it. If you want to make a 7' tall reaction chamber, with the other 2' for neck and collection cup you'll have to feed the skimmer with some sort of pump. on the plus side your feed pump will be small and use little electricity. I think that am aquaclear 70 would be plenty of pump, and you could have it in your overflow so that you are still feeding the skimmer the dirtiest water from the surfaqce of the tank.
 
I like your concept. I have bought a lot of new equipment, but I have a pile of stuff, I mean a huge pile, of stuff I bought used through the seller's forum and local club forum, all of it name brand quality equipment for low prices, including the 220 it will all go on. All my Reef Flo and Pan World pumps (six or so), Tunze & VorTech PHs, Lumenarc reflectors, plus skimmers, Ca Reactors all bought used. The deals are out there, all looking for new homes!

Keep it up, I hope you hit your $1800 budget with change in hand!
 
Update

Update

Well, I intended to build a DIY counter current skimmer for my reef project and even went so far as to go out and collect a large section of 8" pipe from the developer next door when I ran into the deal of a lifetime as far as I'm concerned! I've done a lot of looking on local club forums etc and ran across a local reefer who has just taken down one of his two large tanks and had some spare parts for sale. Basically what it boils down to for me is..... 1 Precision Marine XL1 Beckett skimmer with collection container, 1 Aquaclear canister filter, 1 Blueline 55, 1 Blueline 40x, and a Spectra Pure 5 Stage RO/DI system for a grand total of $425.00 delivered to my door! (Thanks Jonathan) Here are a few pictures of my new additions. Please forgive any poor quality in the photos. I've never claimed any skill with the camera.

The skimmer

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The Canister Filter

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The RO/DI

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The Pumps

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This prevented my skimmer project but it's not a complete waste. We will be using the pipe for a skimmer for a friends tank in the future. The pumps also saved me some trial and error on which low cost units would work well for the long haul. Overall it has me relatively excited and tomorrow we will be starting work on removing the wall and arch between my dining area and the family room and over the weekend should have the framing completed for the see through tank wall, though I doubt if I get it sheetrocked as well. I'll post more pictures of the work this weekend as well.

So far the project totals come to:


Tank: FREE (gotta love it)
Sump: $5
Refugium: $5
Bulkheads: $25.98
Koralias: $129.98
Rockwork: $44
Skimmer/collection container/blueline 55 $200
Blueline 40x $100
Canister Filter $50
RO/DI $75

Total $634.96
 
Construction Photos

Construction Photos

Just thought I'd post a few construction photos from today. Tomorrow will be a slow day for the tank project, but hopefully we will get a bit done on Sunday before the weekend is over.

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