Tangs & Ich!!! HELP!!!

[Seagars]

HELP!!!
we have a 150 gallon RSM tank and have introduced 5 tangs at the same time for territory issues. we have like many others got ich shortly after introducing them to the tank. we have been trying to treat the tank as i understand that all water has ich it is just about controlling it (not sure if this is true or not).
But my question is those with Tangs - if you had ich how did you get it under control to save your tangs, and if not, how did you prevent your tank from getting it.
we have been up and running for about 2 months or so...
any and all suggestions and recommendations are appreciated!!!
Thanks in advance for all of your help!!!
:debi::sad1:

 

[Seagars]

Maybe in the wrong section. Mods please move if needed. Sorry.

 

[MR HONDA]

Maintain good water quality feed well and try to keep stress low I have had my tangs for three years they all had ich at one time or another i never lost a single one I just did as I stated above hope that answers your question..

 

[Seagars]

My tangs are brand new to the tank so I understand the initial stress.
How did you treat your tank/tangs for iChat when they did get it?

 

[Seagars]

Suggestions for keeping low stress?
Tank is supposed to lower my stress. Not yet!

 

[TheGodParticle]

Garlic Guard! Keep your hands OUT of your tank! And a Cleaner wrasse! I too have 5 tangs in my tank and that's always worked pretty well for me.

 

[humaguy]

did you qt them? I would cupramine and prazi them....

 

[reeferstace]

Garlic Guard! Keep your hands OUT of your tank! And a Cleaner wrasse! I too have 5 tangs in my tank and that's always worked pretty well for me.

Garlic does not kill Cryptocaryon. Cleaner wrasses do not remove it either.

The three recommended ways of treating ick are 1) hyposalinity, 2) tank transfer method, and 3) copper. These would need to be done in a QT tank.

The best way to prevent Cryptocaryon from infecting your display is the quarantine all new fish arrivals.

Read here and good luck.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986013

 

[snorvich]

Garlic does not kill Cryptocaryon. Cleaner wrasses do not remove it either.

The three recommended ways of treating ick are 1) hyposalinity, 2) tank transfer method, and 3) copper. These would need to be done in a QT tank.

The best way to prevent Cryptocaryon from infecting your display is the quarantine all new fish arrivals.

Read here and good luck.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986013

What Stacy said. "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others." - Anthony Calfo

 

[TheGodParticle]

Garlic does not kill Cryptocaryon. Cleaner wrasses do not remove it either.

The three recommended ways of treating ick are 1) hyposalinity, 2) tank transfer method, and 3) copper. These would need to be done in a QT tank.

The best way to prevent Cryptocaryon from infecting your display is the quarantine all new fish arrivals.

Read here and good luck.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986013

Do you always put words in peoples mouths? Where did I ever say Garlic Guard kills it? Don't put words in my mouth and re-read what I said. I never once said that.

Garlic helps build up the immune system which helps prevent it. I never said a cleaner wrasse kills ick either. So once again don't put words in my mouth. Cleaner Wrasse do pick parasites off fish though.

All I was saying is that in my main tank where I can't run copper, feeding my fish with garlic soaked foods and having a cleaner wrasse has helped me exponentialy at keeping my fish happy and helping prevent outbreaks. It's basic health 101 you keep your fish and yourself healthy and not stressed then your less likely to come down with a disease.

If you want to truly kill ick, then yes set up a QT tank and run copper in it.

 

[jonathansruelas]

1. Salinity method 2. Copper 3. tank transfer

Garlic, selcon and vitamin Chem only helps keep your fish healthy and shrimps/cleaner wrasses pick at parasites . Use snorvich's thread on how to treat it I used it and have had great success in keeping my fish ich free. Tangs are more prone to get ich but they aren't sensitive to copper so that would be the way I would go

 

[Mikez1207]

I left my fish be. Just fed them left them alone try to not sit in front of tank so I wouldnt stress them more and let thier immune system to the work...stress equals low immune system...its best when you introduce a new addition that you turn lights off till next day...hood luck

 

[sponger0]

Garlic does not kill Cryptocaryon. Cleaner wrasses do not remove it either.

The three recommended ways of treating ick are 1) hyposalinity, 2) tank transfer method, and 3) copper. These would need to be done in a QT tank.

The best way to prevent Cryptocaryon from infecting your display is the quarantine all new fish arrivals.

Read here and good luck.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986013

+100

What Stacy said. "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others." - Anthony Calfo

+10,000

Do you always put words in peoples mouths? Where did I ever say Garlic Guard kills it? Don't put words in my mouth and re-read what I said. I never once said that.

Garlic helps build up the immune system which helps prevent it. I never said a cleaner wrasse kills ick either. So once again don't put words in my mouth. Cleaner Wrasse do pick parasites off fish though.

All I was saying is that in my main tank where I can't run copper, feeding my fish with garlic soaked foods and having a cleaner wrasse has helped me exponentialy at keeping my fish happy and helping prevent outbreaks. It's basic health 101 you keep your fish and yourself healthy and not stressed then your less likely to come down with a disease.

If you want to truly kill ick, then yes set up a QT tank and run copper in it.

Garlic is a temporary remedy...and not guaranteed to work. So its effectiveness is only so much. So using that you will continue to have ick breakouts.

Get a quarantine tank and save yourself the trouble and your fish.

 

[f3honda4me]

For the people who are telling you to use garlic and whatnot (cleaner wrasse/shrimp do nothing as ich is below the skin), they are doing you a great disservice. All this method does is hope your fish survive the breakout and can live with ich. The problem is, ich will still always be in the tank, waiting for a weak or stressed fish, and then you are back at square one.

Put the fish in QT, treat them to KILL the ich, and let your main tank sit fallow (without fish) for 8 weeks. Then you will truly be ich free. And QT all future fish.

 

[Rploaded]

If you can establish a good relationship with a trusted LFS you might be able to ask them to set up a set of private 55's to QT/medicate all fish you are considering for 45-70 days depending on type of fish. You can also do this at home if your not buying enough fish for the lfs to provide this service. Adding a group of tangs to a tank without QT is Russian roulette. Eventually it will be a loaded chamber...

Keep stress low and keep water quality high.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I agree completely to the people who are saying "treat It". If you try to "manage" ich, as suggested by some posts, the ich will win sooner or later. There is a constant flow of new threads from folks trying to manage ich on the diseases section of the forum. Adding 5 non-quarantined tangs is almost a guarantees that ich will be introduced; whoever gave you that advice is really missing the boat.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Do you always put words in peoples mouths? Where did I ever say Garlic Guard kills it? Don't put words in my mouth and re-read what I said. I never once said that.

Garlic helps build up the immune system which helps prevent it. I never said a cleaner wrasse kills ick either. So once again don't put words in my mouth. Cleaner Wrasse do pick parasites off fish though.

All I was saying is that in my main tank where I can't run copper, feeding my fish with garlic soaked foods and having a cleaner wrasse has helped me exponentialy at keeping my fish happy and helping prevent outbreaks. It's basic health 101 you keep your fish and yourself healthy and not stressed then your less likely to come down with a disease.

If you want to truly kill ick, then yes set up a QT tank and run copper in it.

The thread is about an active ich infestation. Any comments about garlic, cleaners, would naturally be taken as advice on how to solve the problem. I sure took it that way. Garlic and cleaners are often mentioned as ich cures---they aren't. There certainly is nothing in your original "Garlic guard" post to suggest that you were referring to "managing" ich rather than curing it.

 

[Lightsluvr]

I agree with all the suggestions about pro-active ich prevenyion. IMO, snorvich has the best solutions.

That being said, what is the life span of ich if they do not find a host? Can they live forever in a tank without completing their life cycle?

LL

 

[sponger0]

I agree with all the suggestions about pro-active ich prevenyion. IMO, snorvich has the best solutions.

That being said, what is the life span of ich if they do not find a host? Can they live forever in a tank without completing their life cycle?

LL

Anywhere from 4-8 weeks

 

[Lightsluvr]

Anywhere from 4-8 weeks

That is what I thought. Theoretically, if there is no ich cycle in that time period and no new hosts are introduced, does that mean the tank is ich-free?

LL