Tank Care n Maintenance

Ntvper

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if i could be so bold to say/ask if ya have a complete enclosed cycle of life system why would ya need alot of time to take care of it? im not big into sps yet but with mine couple swipes of the front glass is all i do every 5-7 days just so i can see. then minus my hour on every other weekend or when i dont work water change n cleaning the skimmer. So I was thinking and very curious on others husbandry of their tanks and maybe some insight I have that your missing and/or what I might be missing. Really loving the idea of getting some SPS but scared with all those horror stories I hear of them dieing and what not. I have one acro I got long time ago with a group buy and so far it shows signs of growing and not dieing or RTN like my brothers. So either I am doing something right and cant put a finger on it or very very very lucky.
 
I have about 10 sps in my 14g biocube and they are all encrusting/growing fine under a 70w MH. I do weekly water changes and dose 4 times a week with seachem complete, plus and carbonate. I, like you spend about an hour a week on maintenance.
 
so cool im not the only one who doesnt spend much time on maintenance. I heard stories of people who would spend like 4-6 hours on cleaning n maintenance.
 
I take flak for this fairly often when I mention it, but I have a lot of research and more than 2.5 years into the experiment all seems well... so...here's my confession:

I do maybe 2 or 3 water changes a year on my tank. Longest I've let it go was 9 months, and I didn't see any problems, just felt that with salt creep and ATO I might start to see salinity problems.

My intent with marine aquariums is to produce a near self sustaining ecosystem, so I seek to incorporate as much of the natural processes from a reef as I can. My tank is the result of about 6 months of reading up on how to make a natural reef aquarium, and what has and what hasn't worked. It's been doing good for over 2.5 years now, *knock on wood* and takes _VERY_ little work to keep it running smooth. I would say maybe 2 hours a month.

My take is this:

#1 important aspect is biodiversity. I've snorkeled and dived enough to know that there's no such thing as an SPS or LPS or NPS etc. _ONLY_ reef anywhere in the world. There are large areas of reef that may have only one dominant species to the exclusion of ALL other species for many square yards...but as a whole ecosystem, reefs are among the most biodiverse ecosystems on the planet - strive for that in miniature.

Bioload is the next most important aspect. I don't feel there's an upper limit to the numbers and size of most SPS you can keep, but many LPS and essentially all NPS and softies have much more active metabolisms for their size, and their waste products need to be considered, especially the non photo synthetics that require targeted feeding or for those who opt (as I do) to feed LPS and softies from time to time. Keeping your fish and other tank inhabitants well fed and happy is a good way to prevent loss and disease, but too many fish along with overfeeding and not enough export can kill off a tank, as we all know.... but I suspect not having enough fish and their associated nutrients (poop) can also damage, or at least limit, a healthy coral population. There's a fine balance, and in an ideally balanced tank, I suspect you could do away with ALL mechanical filtering, even protein skimming... but alas, 2 or 3 small fish in a 240 gallon tank is hard to define as natural, and probably isn't what we'd want anyways... so we have hardware to let us tune that balance a bit.

First in the hardware category is the living stuff...

Maricultured or otherwise sustainably harvested Live rock is ESSENTIAL. manufactured or dry base rock has value for aquascaping, building up a foundation, and helping with price... but I figure any tank I build in the future will contain at least 50% fresh wet live rock from reputable sellers.

A good medium to deep sand bed, dry and seeded with sand from an established and HEALTHY aquarium. Bare bottom tanks are fine for laboratories, fish sellers, QT, and some FO/species tanks, but they look horrible in a reef tank, and there's NOTHING natural about a bare bottom tank. Read up on anoxic bacteria and deep sand beds if you plan to go over 3" deep, but the deeper the better in terms of natural processes.

A refugium is a MUST. We cannot recreate the whole ocean in one go, so we have to isolate and replicate sections of it as we can. In nature there's a balance between the reproduction rates of microfauna and the metabolism and appetite of their predatory counterparts, which are in turn prey for larger and larger fish - so large we can't keep them. Without the larger predators, the smaller prey will quickly be depleted without a safe zone to thrive. This microfauna is the primary food source for many corals and fish species, without it corals wither away and die. Refugiums also offer a great place for a deep sand bed, macroalgae for organic nutrient uptake - but should NEVER be used as temporary holding for a fish or other predator.

Then we have mechanical filtration and devices to facilitate the natural actions of the rock and corals.

A good skimmer is essential. We don't have wave action to export organics/proteins and provide gas exchange so this is our next best thing, and honestly I think it's much more efficient that natural wave action for the scale anyways. Over skimming is a concern tho, since many tank inhabitants need the organic waste and proteins a skimmer removes. Clams, SPS, worms, and bacteria all feed on the "waste" from higher order life. When I got started I was told get a skimmer that will process at least double your tanks volume per hour... I don't think that's good advice for a properly balanced reef tank, but great if you keep too many fish, or any heavy eaters like puffers, sharks, lions, eels... basically, get a skimmer that will move around 1 to 1.5 tank volumes per hour. once mine broke in and started running smooth it produced a fairly dry, not too bad smelling, dark green glop.

Flow is vitally important. I lost a few sps early on. In part it was due to bad species selection, but now I consider flow was a MAJOR factor in their demise. I started out with just the return from the sump, and 2 smaller koralia's with no wave makers... just pointed more or less at each other... I've since upgraded to 2 Vortech MP40w's set on one of the built in ecotech modes... I think it's lagoon mode, not sure... at any rate, I got them for my 180, so in a 58g tank they're on the overkill side and I run them set to almost the lowest power setting... but the improvement in SPS growth was phenomenal. A (nearly true, pseudo-) random flow pattern makes a giant difference, and they really do keep particles suspended. I used to use a turkey baster to blast my rocks... now, nothing collects on them, and when I blast I get virtually nothing. It never settles, or when it does, it does so in places my blaster doesn't reach... which is fine, just like in nature :)

Finally, we have the dry side...

Lights play an important role of course - having enough of the right type. natural sun light's constant is 1361 watts per square meter on Earth, so calculate the area of the top of your tank, and figure it out from there. e.g. a 120g tank 48x24 on top, is ~.73 square meters, so you'd want about 993 watts of light. Lighting isn't 100% efficient, so figure anything over 1000 watts would start to approximate natural lighting, with 1250-1500 being closer to the actual natural illumination. For the 120g tank, that's 10w per gallon.... but you'd want the same light if the tank was 240 gallons, and twice as deep, or 60 gallons and half as deep... it's surface area that matters.

And finally, chemicals. Corals suck...calcium and carbonate from the water. One MAJOR reason water changes help tanks is that they reintroduce the major and trace elements corals and other invertebrates need to survive and thrive. But there's NO reason we must do water changes for this reason alone. Marine Biologists have a pretty solid grasp on what corals use, if not how they use it, and metabolism studies have shown what gets used up in what amounts by total systems as well... and wouldn't you know it, some of these researches have capitalized on their research and make products designed to promote growth in corals via regular dosing of the required elements. They're not really that much more expensive than quality salt, and I've noted major growth in corals when I am properly maintaining calcium and carbonate levels along with dosing small amounts of trace mineral products.

Anyways... I'm not sure how complete this post is as I've written over the course of a few hours as I'm doing other things... but moer or less it's just my log/notes of what I've been doing, things I think are key to my success with my tank, and what I do that allows me to put in minimal effort to keep the tank healthy. In over a year I've lost one coral, and 2 fish - none of which ever properly established in the first place. Everything I've put in that's lasted more than a month or two is still in there.

-Doug
 
Oh, feeding... I feed my 2 clowns about 4-5 times a week, just a few pinches of aquadine. Sometimes they get a pack of cyclopeeze or frozen mysid as a treat. They're active hunters and I've seen them sit and wait for a pod they know is in a shell for 15 minutes before they get a chance.

My next goal is to build an entirely self feeding tank.... so when I take off for a couple weeks I don't need to worry about them starving.
 
doug i cant agree more with you and thats one of my 'gasps' in this hobby with people freaking out over how hard it is or what is what. simply put nature is the best filter and a few things i can add or vary in points is 'live' rock. simply put any rock suffices as long as u seed your tank or rock with these 'live' substances. in other words those little bitty creatures we cant see the help break down those nitrates are the live aspect of the rock minus the other hitchhikers that come in on 'live' rock. Now not to go to any further freak out details about cooking rock or boiling rock gathered from nature. just member any rock will suffice as it is clean and harmful substance free for our water loving pets and seed it from someones else's tank or buy one or two 'live' rock from a reputable dealer and the rest will happen in nature. Oh and I feed my fish once a day. Yes I overfeed but all creatures in my tank eat it too so really im not overfeeding lol.
 
And finally, chemicals. Corals suck...calcium and carbonate from the water. One MAJOR reason water changes help tanks is that they reintroduce the major and trace elements corals and other invertebrates need to survive and thrive. But there's NO reason we must do water changes for this reason alone. Marine Biologists have a pretty solid grasp on what corals use, if not how they use it, and metabolism studies have shown what gets used up in what amounts by total systems as well... and wouldn't you know it, some of these researches have capitalized on their research and make products designed to promote growth in corals via regular dosing of the required elements. They're not really that much more expensive than quality salt, and I've noted major growth in corals when I am properly maintaining calcium and carbonate levels along with dosing small amounts of trace mineral products.



I don't like dosing chemicals. It's "fun" to play chemist for a while, but honestly I find it much easier and faster to just do a water change. Cheaper to, boy 0 boy every stinking bottle of new fancy snake oil chemical they can sell you costs amazingly.. $10.

I often suspect when people here on the board say "i'm selling EVERYTHING" can't keep up with it anymore it's just because they went nuts trying to keep up carbonate, calcium, alk, iodine, super duper macro invert coral feed, yaddda yadda yadda..

ditch that craziness and just do a water change and enjoy.
 
I've had reef tanks for around 16 years and have experimented with every method possible. For the last 5 years I've kept probably 85% sps with a few of my favorite lps's and I would say an average amount of fish. I have a huge fuge and sump. I currently do water changes maybe once per year at most. I swear every time I do a water change, it destabilizes my tanks. I add all the necessary supplements to keep it near ocean water, with the exception of calcium and magnesium ( I run them extra high). In my opinion, as long as the water is close to ocean water parameters and there is no phosphate or nitrate, why change the water. My sps are always very happy and colorful. One last note, I noticed over my short time of following forums, most inexperienced reefers tend to overload or overfeed fish, which causes many problems, but water changes still don't fix the issues. Most longtime reefers have the experience and knowhow of how to keep a balanced ecosystem, and water changes are just for fun or to make us feel good.
 
sgallant04 said:
I don't like dosing chemicals. It's "fun" to play chemist for a while, but honestly I find it much easier and faster to just do a water change.

Really? For me a water change takes several hours of unsupervised filling of a brute trashcan from my 90gpd R/O filter, then the time to measure and mix the salt, then 24 hours for it to cure, then another hour or so to do a change, then 15 minutes to clean up the mess.... Nothing "fun" about that.

Dosing takes me about 1 minute every other day. I use Seachem Reef Complete, Carbonate, and Reef Plus with little one hole stoppers in each bottle and a syringe...it's quick and super easy.

I dose the tank about 10ml of carbonate every other day, and about 10ml of calcium once a week, and 10ml of reef plus when I do calcium.

sgallant04 said:
Cheaper to, boy 0 boy every stinking bottle of new fancy snake oil chemical they can sell you costs amazingly.. $10.

Sure, if you buy every product SeaChem, Kent Marine, and everyone else makes, and use them in excess, sure... you'll go broke and probably toxify your tank. I'm not talking about going chemical crazy, I'm talking responsible maintenance dosing of compounds which exist in nature and are depleted naturally and need to be supplied one way or another. As for price, it costs me about $1/gal to make water for my tank. If I did 2 water changes a month to keep my elemental balance, I would be spending 20-25 a month. Right now my SeaChem budget is about $10/month.

sgallant04 said:
I often suspect when people here on the board say "i'm selling EVERYTHING" can't keep up with it anymore it's just because they went nuts trying to keep up carbonate, calcium, alk, iodine, super duper macro invert coral feed, yaddda yadda yadda..

ditch that craziness and just do a water change and enjoy.

I think the reason people get out of tanks varies as much as people do in general. I can't deny my tank takes SOME time, and there have been months I've neglected to clean the glass, or trim the 'fuge, or whatever... if that leads to a crash, I know, personally, I would rebuild - I can't blame some people for not having the heart after that.

I also know a lot of people... and I mean a LOT of people, who start tanks because they saw someones, and thought "oh, that would be cool as a decoration in my living room" and honestly can't even be bothered to spend 5 minutes to clean the front of the tank, and get frustrated when their 2 month old tank is covered in cyano, and doesn't look like the 5 year established tank their friend has, and they get impatient or bored or whatever....

sometimes people can't afford the monthly cost of running pumps, lights, feed, chemical/salt, etc...

You have to dedicate some effort to this hobby. A tank isn't decoration, it's a pet - it doesn't need walks, and it can't curl up with you at night - but it's very much alive, in a give and take relationship that ultimately relies on us as keepers to keep it alive and healthy - unlike, say, a painting or end table.


Anyways there's another 2¢ for ya :p

-Doug
 
thats some serious time on water changes, I got a 55 drum from work fill it up, put the right amount of salt in it. already got a power head in it, and a mag pump with a valve which i plug in whenever i get around to water change, which i do ten gallons every weekend. most of the time i do skip a week here n there. went a whole month once, only thing i can see that is detrimental is no growth. I don't dose therefore i water change. my philosophy



oh and since every is stating their time in the hobby mine is 20 years give n take. this tank up n running last two or three. time flies when ya got kids
 
thats some serious time on water changes, I got a 55 drum from work fill it up, put the right amount of salt in it. already got a power head in it, and a mag pump with a valve which i plug in whenever i get around to water change, which i do ten gallons every weekend. most of the time i do skip a week here n there. went a whole month once, only thing i can see that is detrimental is no growth. I don't dose therefore i water change. my philosophy


same as you, I aerate, heat & mix my new water continuously, w/ a large pond pump to fill after the dt drain. it honestly takes me longer to pull that heavy trash bin out from the back to the dt and put it away then the actual drain&fill. I do see some *slight* changes after water changes, but I find it preferable to dosing. I have measured individual element parameters far in excess of NSW from the *PREMIUM* salt mixes. I actually prefer the inexpensive salt.
 
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