tank sizes for large angels

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I would like to submit a suggestion a new thread pinned like the tangs one for large marine angels.

the many sites I find are very conflicting like with tangs

i.e one site says 100g is fine for an Emperor Angel while another says 220g.

maybe if the RC experts can consult on this and come up with a recommended tank size like the surgeon fish topic would be beneficial to all.

:)
 
Angelfish are some of the most rewarding fish in the hobby. Their friendly personalities(and even noises!) quickly makes them a favorite of owners and others alike. Angelfish are truly amazing fish, but can be more demanding and require large tanks to survive and thrive.

They can range anywhere from relatively small to very large and need appropriate sized tanks. Their environment can influence their behavior in many ways. Being the "king" fish in the tank is often important in keeping a stress free environment. Many of these Angels, particularly Holacanthus, can be very aggressive in smaller and more crowded situations with other fish threatening their dominance. Other species can be quite peaceful in almost all settings.

It is certain that all angels will spend a majority of their day scouring the tank for any bit of food. It is for this reason that most of the listed angels aren't really reef safe. Some aquarists have success by keeping their angel(s) well fed and starting them in the reef tank when very small. It is very important to feed a high quality varied diet including both vegetarian and meaty portions, with some sponge as well.

Here is what I would call a somewhat incomplete list of "large" angels and there minimum tank sizes. Almost all of the popular and common angels are listed, but some may be missing as well as some of the rarely seen angels in the hobby.

This is a personally complied list based of both personal experience, observation, and reading of others experience. By putting a minimum tank size here, I am listing an absolute minimum size in my opinion you could keep each fish for it's entire lifespan. I am sure many people will disagree with my input in both directions, both smaller and larger. A larger tank than the minimum is always recommended and will give you a much better chance at success with a healthy, happy angel.

Common name - Scientific name - Tank size

African - Holacanthus africanus - 210 gallons
Annularis - Pomacanthus annularis - 210 gallons
Asfur - Pomacanthus asfur - 210 gallons
Bandit - Apolemichthys arcuatus - 180 gallons
Bellus - Genicanthus bellus - 100 gallons
Black/Gray - Pomacanthus arcuatus - 240 gallons
Blue - Holacanthus bermudensis - 210 gallons
Blue Face - Pomacanthus xanthometopon - 180 gallons
Blue Line - Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis - 125 gallons
Blue Spotted - Chaetodontoplus caeruleopunctatus - 125 gallons
Conspicuous - Chaetodontoplus conspicillatus - 180 gallons
Cortez - Pomacanthus zonipectus - 240 gallons
Cream - Apolemichthys xanthurus - 100 gallons
Chrysurus - Pomacanthus chrysurus - 180 gallons
Emperor - Pomacanthus imperator - 210 gallons
False Personifer - Chaetodontoplus meredithi - 180 gallons
Flagfin - Apolemichthys trimaculatus - 125 gallons
French - Pomacanthus paru - 240 gallons
Goldflake - Apolemichthys xanthopunctatus - 150 gallons
Gray Poma - Chaetodontoplus melanosoma - 100 gallons
Griffis' - Apolemichthys griffisi - 150 gallons
Koran - Pomacanthus semicirculatus - 240 gallons
Lamarck's - Genicanthus lamarck - 125 gallons
Maculosus - Pomacanthus maculosus - 240 gallons
Majestic/Blue Girdled - Euxiphipops navarchus - 150 gallons
Passer - Holacanthus passer - 210 gallons
Queen - Holacanthus ciliaris - 240 gallons
Regal - Pygoplites diacanthus - 150 gallons
Rock Beauty - Holacanthus tricolor - 100 gallons
Scribbled - Chaetodontoplus duboulayi - 180 gallons
Singapore - Chaetodontoplus mesoleucus - 100 gallons
Sixbanded - Pomacanthus sexstriatus - 240 gallons
Swallowtail - Genicanthus melanospilos - 100 gallons
True Personifer - Chaetodontoplus personifer - 180 gallons
Wantanabe's - Genicanthus watanabei - 100 gallons
Zebra - Genicanthus caudovittatus - 100 gallons
 
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That is a reasonable place to start but it has been my experience that Genicanthus species require an 8 foot tank as a minimum. Note length rather than gallonage is the operative constraint.
 
That is a reasonable place to start but it has been my experience that Genicanthus species require an 8 foot tank as a minimum. Note length rather than gallonage is the operative constraint.

That was the genus I do not have a lot of experience with, but many post some really small tank sizes for them. I agree it should be bigger, as I do with most of these fish.

I also agree that tank length is very important and I did not spend the time to go into that. I believe that only dwarf angels should be in 4 foot and smaller tanks. You really believe they need 8 foot tanks? That to me would mean that almost all the other angels need a 10 foot tank to live. That is probably ideal, but don't think most people would look at that as realistic.
 
That was the genus I do not have a lot of experience with, but many post some really small tank sizes for them. I agree it should be bigger, as I do with most of these fish.

I also agree that tank length is very important and I did not spend the time to go into that. I believe that only dwarf angels should be in 4 foot and smaller tanks. You really believe they need 8 foot tanks? That to me would mean that almost all the other angels need a 10 foot tank to live. That is probably ideal, but don't think most people would look at that as realistic.

Actually I made no mention of Dwarf Angels, only Genicanthus angels. Dwarf angels can do well in large tanks as well as moderate sized ones.
 
What about the one dwarf angel in a tank rule? Is that accurate? How big does your tank have to be in order to have two dwarf angels?
 
That is a reasonable place to start but it has been my experience that Genicanthus species require an 8 foot tank as a minimum. Note length rather than gallonage is the operative constraint.

This is not my experience at all.
 
Actually I made no mention of Dwarf Angels, only Genicanthus angels. Dwarf angels can do well in large tanks as well as moderate sized ones.

I know you didn't say anything about dwarfs. I was saying that no angels besides dwarf's should be in a 4 footer or less. Obviously, dwarfs can be in tanks bigger than 4 feet, I didn't say they couldn't. Everything I listed should be in a 5 foot plus tank, if not 6 or more.

If I could edit again, I would probably put all the Genicanthus at 125 instead of 100, meaning a 6 footer. When I put 100, I was mostly trying to exclude people wanting to put them in 75's and 90's.
 
What about the one dwarf angel in a tank rule? Is that accurate? How big does your tank have to be in order to have two dwarf angels?

It isn't simple, but can be done...

I currently have a 65 with 3, and used to have 3 in a 58 -- changed things around when move -- and had 3 in a 75 until the same move.
 
UPDATED LIST INCLUDING TANK LENGTHS

Angelfish are some of the most rewarding fish in the hobby. Their friendly personalities(and even noises!) quickly makes them a favorite of owners and others alike. Angelfish are truly amazing fish, but can be more demanding and require large tanks to survive and thrive.

They can range anywhere from relatively small to very large and need appropriate sized tanks. Their environment can influence their behavior in many ways. Being the "king" fish in the tank is often important in keeping a stress free environment. Many of these Angels, particularly Holacanthus, can be very aggressive in smaller and more crowded situations with other fish threatening their dominance. Other species can be quite peaceful in almost all settings.

It is certain that all angels will spend a majority of their day scouring the tank for any bit of food. It is for this reason that most of the listed angels aren't really reef safe. Some aquarists have success by keeping their angel(s) well fed and starting them in the reef tank when very small. It is very important to feed a high quality varied diet including both vegetarian and meaty portions, with some sponge as well.

Here is what I would call a somewhat incomplete list of "large" angels and there minimum tank sizes. Almost all of the popular and common angels are listed, but some may be missing as well as some of the rarely seen angels in the hobby.

This is a personally complied list based of both personal experience, observation, and reading of others experience. By putting a minimum tank size here, I am listing an absolute minimum size in my opinion you could keep each fish for it's entire lifespan. I am sure many people will disagree with my input in both directions, both smaller and larger. A larger tank than the minimum is always recommended and will give you a much better chance at success with a healthy, happy angel.

Common name - Scientific name - Tank size - Tank length

African - Holacanthus africanus - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Annularis - Pomacanthus annularis - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Asfur - Pomacanthus asfur - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Bandit - Apolemichthys arcuatus - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Bellus - Genicanthus bellus - 125 gallons - 6 feet
Black/Gray - Pomacanthus arcuatus - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Blue - Holacanthus bermudensis - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Blue Face - Pomacanthus xanthometopon - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Blue Line - Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis - 125 gallons - 6 feet
Blue Spotted - Chaetodontoplus caeruleopunctatus - 125 gallons - 6 feet
Conspicuous - Chaetodontoplus conspicillatus - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Cortez - Pomacanthus zonipectus - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Cream - Apolemichthys xanthurus - 100 gallons - 4 feet
Chrysurus - Pomacanthus chrysurus - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Emperor - Pomacanthus imperator - 210 gallons - 6 feet
False Personifer - Chaetodontoplus meredithi - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Flagfin - Apolemichthys trimaculatus - 125 gallons - 6 feet
French - Pomacanthus paru - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Goldflake - Apolemichthys xanthopunctatus - 150 gallons - 6 feet
Gray Poma - Chaetodontoplus melanosoma - 100 gallons - 4 feet
Griffis' - Apolemichthys griffisi - 150 gallons - 6 feet
Koran - Pomacanthus semicirculatus - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Lamarck's - Genicanthus lamarck - 125 gallons - 6 feet
Maculosus - Pomacanthus maculosus - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Majestic/Blue Girdled - Euxiphipops navarchus - 150 gallons - 6 feet
Passer - Holacanthus passer - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Queen - Holacanthus ciliaris - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Regal - Pygoplites diacanthus - 150 gallons - 6 feet
Rock Beauty - Holacanthus tricolor - 100 gallons - 4 feet
Scribbled - Chaetodontoplus duboulayi - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Singapore - Chaetodontoplus mesoleucus - 100 gallons - 4 feet
Sixbanded - Pomacanthus sexstriatus - 240 gallons - 8 feet
Swallowtail - Genicanthus melanospilos - 125 gallons - 6 feet
True Personifer - Chaetodontoplus personifer - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Wantanabe's - Genicanthus watanabei - 125 gallons - 6 feet
Zebra - Genicanthus caudovittatus - 125 gallons - 6 feet
 
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Well, it has been mine. I have a mated pair of Bellus and they definitely use the entire 8 feet of my tank.

All "large" angels will use our entire tanks in the aquarium hobby. I think that is different than what they can live in. To me an 8 foot would be more in the "ideal" rather than the "doable" range.
 
Pictures of the fish in the juvenile, sub-adult, and adult phases would be a great addition. I love the idea of this thread. Keep up the good work.
 
Juvenile and Adult Pics of Large Angels

Juvenile and Adult Pics of Large Angels

Going in the same order as the post above.

African Angel - Holacanthus africanus - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Juvenile
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Adult
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Annularis - Pomacanthus annularis - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Juvenile and Adult
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Asfur - Pomacanthus asfur - 220 gallons - 8 feet
Juvenile(It is tough to find verified pics of the juvenile's, this may be a Maculosus)
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Adult
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Bandit - Apolemichthys arcuatus - 180 gallons - 6 feet
Juvenile and Adult
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Bellus - Genicanthus bellus - 125 gallons - 6 feet
Male and Female Adults
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