TBS Rock

while I don't own this rock first hand, i have seen it before in person and while it is somewhat dense it also has some great porosity.

i guess some has better taste than others natural not from a pile of rocks thrown in the ocean and then call it live rock there are much better quality out there come on
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that pile of rocks thrown in the ocean was thrown in, if i remember reading correctly, about 17 years ago, and it wasn't just rock, it was Over one million pounds of imported Bahamian coral rock - see here - http://tampabaysaltwater.com/about/index.html

yup - heres the post - http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1401070
 
Troyman you're entitled to your opinion of course, but before you come on a vendor forum and start bashing away, maybe you should take a look at the rock before judging? That's really the only fair way. Just because the last 99 pieces of FL rock you've seen are crap doesn't mean that TBS is the 100th.

If you would just keep an open mind you might find out that it really does live up to the hype.
 
Who new a question about TBS LR would cause such a discussion. I have order 50lbs of LR and 20lbs of LS for my nano. Looking forward to getting in the tank next week.

Thanks for everyone's comments. Once I get the Package I will post pics.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13521098#post13521098 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troyman
i guess some has better taste than others natural not from a pile of rocks thrown in the ocean and then call it live rock there are much better quality out there come on
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so perhaps you can explain to us what you belive is better?
why?
where you get it from?
how long you have done reefkeeping?
what florida lr you have seen first hand?
from which vendors?

facts please.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13561291#post13561291 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sun777
Ammonia is currently .50ppm
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Hiya Kyle! Hang in there with the cycle and refrain from water changes unless the ammonia ranges beyond 1.0ppm.

Your updated pictures confused me a bit. Are you wanting to ID the brown "splotches" on the rock? Those look like chicken liver sponges. They are rather resilient, at least I have not killed mine yet :D And then there is a pic with some white stuff that looks like it has a plankton filtering mechanism extended? It that what you want ID on?

So. . . you are returning to the hobby. Was your previous saltwater tank mostly critters from the indo-pacific region?
 
TBS Rock

I am wondering what pic 20,21,& 23are?


Also I smelled every piece of rock this morning and did not notice any awful smells. My ammonia is creeping up to 1.ppm. I have had a hard time with my temp staying around 80 and that is with the lights only being on for about 3 hrs. I now have a fan blowing across the top of the tank.


When I was in the hobby years ago I focused on a fish only tanks with very little LR.



http://picasaweb.google.com/scrapnchip/Fish#
 
The nano's are very tough, but it sounds pretty normal so far. Do just enough to keep it under 1, anything more will increase the cycle time.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13563544#post13563544 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sun777
I am wondering what pic 20,21,& 23are?


Also I smelled every piece of rock this morning and did not notice any awful smells. My ammonia is creeping up to 1.ppm. I have had a hard time with my temp staying around 80 and that is with the lights only being on for about 3 hrs. I now have a fan blowing across the top of the tank.


When I was in the hobby years ago I focused on a fish only tanks with very little LR.



http://picasaweb.google.com/scrapnchip/Fish#
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mostly I see sponges of different kinds in the 20-23 pictures.
on #22 left side, white mass -- this might be a colony of tunicates
if you can see a number of small holes almost like cells then that's almost for sure what that is.
tunicates can be white, yellow, orange, clear or black or almost any color.
they will generly be colonies of them and each one has a small and a large hole that they filter feed with.
where sponges will have only 2-3 holes and a larger mass of tissue.
 
Amonia

Amonia

Well it happened spiked since yesterday to almost 1.5ppm. Looks like its time to scrub the sponge and do a 50% water change.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13570156#post13570156 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sun777
Well it happened spiked since yesterday to almost 1.5ppm. Looks like its time to scrub the sponge and do a 50% water change.
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Only remove any sponge that looks like it is on the way out, trying to remove health sponge will cause more problems, as you will injure it, and it will die.....resulting in more ammonia...

sea ya
Richard TBS
 
Don't necessarily scrub the sponges yet. Do the water change, though, for sure. Just keep doing your ammonia tests twice per day and keep the new saltwater on hand.

Was the rock exposed to air for very long while you were getting it in the tank? That's usually what kills off the sponges. So, if the rocks hit the air for longer than a minute or two they could be dying.

When I got my Packages, my rocks weren't in air for more than 30 seconds. I've never had a discernable ammonia reading (knock wood!).

Do you have any powerheads in the tank? I have the same tank, I put two koralia nano powerheads in and aim them at the top to ripple the water. That helps keep the water cooler, too. Or, aim at least one of the pump outlets at the water top if you don't want to add powerheads.

What sort of lights do you have? If you have metal halides, how long are you running them during the day? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to help. lol

80 really isn't a bad temp, though. That's what I run all three of my tanks at.
 
I just did a water change and smelled every single pc of rock and could only find 1 pcs that smelled foul and that rock had a green tube like object on it that smelled so I removed it. Should I be concerned that when the rock arrived at the airport the bag with the rock was only about 1/3 full, the rock was wet but not submerged in the water?


I have the Metal Halide lights and they are only on for about 4-5hrs a day. Should I consider using Chem Pure Elite to help with the amonia?



Thanks for your help

http://picasaweb.google.com/scrapnchip/Fish
 
That's how my rock came, water-wise, so that's good. Good to remove the bad-smelling stuff, too. Just don't take the rocks out of the water too much.

The lights are on the right amount of time, so you're good there, too.

No need to use any chemicals now. It's not unusual to spike ammonia, that's why you need to have the new water ready to do a change when it does. I think I've been extraordinarily lucky, that's all!

Try to relax and enjoy the ride. Your tank is going to be AWESOME! When I set up my first TBS tank six months ago I was glued to it for hours a day (at least it seemed that way!). Things are going to start growing! Things will start emerging from the rocks! Little critters will be seen!

Try not to fret too much over the gorilla crabs, either. You have them even if you haven't seen them yet. You can trap some of them by cutting the top off a plastic water bottle. Invert the cut off top into the bottom part of the bottle. Put a small piece of raw deli shrimp in the bottle and put it in the tank leaning against a rock. The crabs will crawl in but won't be able to crawl out.

When I was into trapping them, I froze them, then used them for fish food!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13570547#post13570547 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sun777
Should I consider using Chem Pure Elite to help with the amonia?
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NO!

the amonia is natural / normal and is part of the cycle.

the amonia gets "eaten" by bacteria. then you get the by-products which in turn get "eaten" by other kinds of bacteria and so on...

the final stage of the cycle is the anearobic bacteria release Nitrogen gas wich passes out of the water into the air.

that happens in the sand and the live rock.
 
I understand the cycle, the issue is the ammonia at a level of 1.5ppm that is the concern.

Let me ask this, when a tank is cycling can do to many water changes to try and get the ammonia below 1ppm? I know doing water changes during the cycle extends the cycle.


Since my last post I have seen another mantis and stone crab. I will deal with them once I get the ammonia in line. I will post pics later.



Thanks for everyones help.

Kyle
 
Just keep doing partial water changes to keep the ammonia well below 1 PPM, it doesn't really extend the cycle that much as the bacteria are mostly on all the surfaces and not in the water column. Using a good bacteria like Seachem Stability also aids in reducing the cycle time, it's the only bottled bacteria I've seen that actually works........and get that stone crab the heck out ASAP as they are really nasty suckers.
 
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