The Being Green Revolution!

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Anthropogenic global warming, I've never heard that term but I like it. Humans are arrogant for thinking that what we do matters so much to our planet. Think about it this way, the bigger you make your fish tank the more stable the parameters get. How hard do you think you would have to work to get the parameters out of whack in a "fish tank" the size of our planet?

If you really want to go "green", support renewable energy we already have but are too afraid to use: Nuclear.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12829684#post12829684 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hormigaquatica
That is one of the funniest things Ive seen on here. That kind of ignorant BS is the kind of crazy thing that anti-environmental-protection people spout off all the time. Greenland has been frozen for thousands of years- you really think ice sheets that thick just popped up over the last 400 years? The name "Greenland" was coined by very early european explorers to the island- along with "Iceland". It was meant to be essentially a trick to keep people away from Iceland (where the land is quite habitable) by duping them into heading to Greenland (where it is desolate and incredibly harsh). Its a trick of names.. and apparently you bought it. You may want to check into some actual FACTS before spouting ignorance like so many on this thread have.


I suggest YOU do a little more research.
The name probably doesn't refer to the "greenness" of the island but there certainly is green, as in trees and plants, on the southern part.
It was likely warmer about 1000 years ago when Eric The Red was there.
 
Fragging corals and using more energy efficient hardware certainly seems to be a step in the right direction. Overall, reefkeeping is not a very green hobby though. Still, I am surprised by the negative attitude of those who claim they don't care and go out of their way to post arguments on a thread that was started to discuss more environmentally friendly ways of keeping marine animals. Why the political debate? There are plenty of other forums for people to waste their time arguing about politics and sharing their ignorance. Why is it so difficult to understand that the earth is like a huge aquarium?
 
I use power generated from renewable resources so i don't worry about the power element much.

Every coral I have is CB. I also raise and trade my corals. All of wich helps to prevent collection.

I used to make rock and seed it to sell to hobbyists as well preventing collection.

I have also bred and sold fish to help prevent collection.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12830133#post12830133 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fyrefysh
Oh yea, and there's NOTHING green about maintaining a reef aquarium. :)

My macro algae consumes CO2 and is harvested and used for fertilizer. ;)

I agree there is really nothing about the hobby that is green. If you want to save the planet tear down your tanks.
 
The comments about how hard it would be to mess up our world because of how big it is are very similar to the thoughts of many people many years ago before we started wiping out comercial fisheries left and right, like orange roughy. We used to think that the worlds resources were endless, kinda like we used to think it was flat...The slight change in the CO2 is causing a change in the PH of the ocean, which is killing our reefs.

Also, everyone is saying that most of the scientists are government funded and are just saying things to keep their jobs, however, just as much corporate money from exxon, and many others is going towards false propaganda and towards their own research that happens to make them earn more money. Experts agree that we are past the peak Oil production that our planet can supply us with. The Global demand for oil is still increasing, we are just beginning to see an increase in price compared to what is coming. Economists predict that when gasoline reaches $9.00 a gallon, which it will in the near future, the american lifestyle will begin to change somewhat drastically, as in many will move closer to their workplace, use public transportation more, less vacations, and closer to home, conserve energy, fewer hobbies, etc. Ethanol is not the final solution, as taking away a food source to supply energy for extravagancies is never a good idea, however, it will be vital IMO as a transitional source to help ease the transition from oil to whatever comes next, Hydrogen fuel cells, solar, etc. since it can be used largly with the same infrastructure, and therefore allows for a slower change, which has fewer and less severe negative impacts, I think there is a reefkeeping analogy somewhere here.... When acclimating coral, we must allow the change to be gradual, and for it to give the animal time to adapt and not have negative consequences...The same is also true with all things in life....or most, the slower the change, the less negative impacts it has. I believe that there are many reasons to be "green" only one of which is Global Climate Change, sometimes incorrectly refferred to as Global Warming, as it is the change in our climate that will disrupt all the cycles that we take for granted on our planet. A change of just a few percent soil moisture in the midwest would cause a vast area previously prime farmland to become a desert, while other parts of the world will flood. The world will be unpredictable, and we may or may not be able to adapt fast enough. As we are using oil at a rate 1000 times faster than it is being reproduced, this is obviously not sustainable, so we must find a new source at some point, and by making it a renewable source like Solar, wind, Hydro, Fuel cell, etc. we will become more energy independent rather than relying on our political enemies for oil when a slight policy change there could crash our economy. So, we need to lead the way in green technologies so that we are the one that reap the economic, environmental, and social benefits rather that other countries. If we took all subsidies from fossil fuels, and put them to renewables, there would be little difference in the cost of electricity especially with the development of products such as nanosolar. http://www.nanosolar.com/

On an even touchier note, we also need to find a way to stabilize the global population, as if it keeps increasing, at somepoint we will reacha critical density, and some catostrophic event will cause a massive loss of life on a scale never before seen, but on the same lines as the plague which is the only noticable decrease in the world population....ever. Several studies show that the sustainable population that our planet could support indefinately would be around 2 billion, allowing for some fluctuation. The more people we have, the greater our impact on the environment will be, so we must not only "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" but we also must limit the population growth of our society.

As for what I am doing to be "Green"
Hybrid Car
CFL/LED in house
"submarine" showers
limited photoperiod
Environmental Education( my Venturing crew recently won the Busch Gardens/FujiFilm/Seaworld, National Environmental excellence Award which comes with a $10,000 attachment to further your green efforts)
Displays at MD state fair about Aquatics impacts, Global Climate change, etc.
Just moved tank to basement, so I didnt need any fans, chillers etc, and so we could let the upstairs get up to 80-82 degrees and not use AC as much/any
Amny more I cant think of right now, its late have to get up early

I hope that doesnt come off as provocative, because it wasnt meant to, I just wanted to express my opinion, and maybe change a couple others,

Thanks for reading, I apologize for any typos...
 
So this is quite irritating to say the least. Where are you people getting your ideas about global warming? Just to set the record straight. The energy from the sun is not constant. It has periods of heating and periods of cooling. If you look at the data for the last 50 years the planet is warming. The main cause of the warming is not from human carbon emissions, but we are contributing to it. I have yet to meet a scientist that argues otherwise. Al Gore is not the leader of green. He did raise people’s attention to global warming and I think that is a good thing, regardless if he stands to profit or not.

The only thing being green does is let you think how wonderful you are for saving the planet. In reality it has no measurable effect.

The human population has been growing at a exponential rate since the 1900’s. If you recycle all of your life it will not compare to the trash that a single new person entering the world is going to produce (even if they are green). If you want to save the world push for population control. Furthermore, we need to stop cutting down and burning the rainforests. It’s a huge carbon sink, and it is the planets most efficient way of removing carbon from the atmosphere. Burning the rainforests is more detrimental then gas emissions ever could be.

Lastly, ethanol based fuel is the worst idea ever. It produces more emission over all. You have to burn fossil fuels to produce it, and then you burn it as a fuel, which creates a net increase in carbon emissions. The only thing it does is decrease our dependence on foreign oil, increase carbon emissions, give farmers increased profits, and raise global food costs starving the less fortunate.

That’s my .02
Have a nice day.
 
What a load of BS...man made climate change is a manufactured myth. It exists solely for people like Al Gore to make money off of. Remember when Gore got called out because he used such inordinate amounts of electricity in his TN home? Well he switched everything to this "green" crap and guess what! He is using more Kw hours now than he was before!! And what about the ethanol scam? People all around the world are starving and rioting because they can no longer afford food since corn costs soared; meanwhile we are paying $4.00 a gallon at the pump! If we had drilled ANWR back in the 90's when slick Willy shot down the idea initially, we wouldn't be in this situation today. And guess what; CF bulbs contain freaking MERCURY, they are a bazillion times more harmful to the environment than incandescent bulbs!! Additionally, ZERO CF bulbs are manufactured in the US, they are all made in China! How long do you think it will be before Chinese CF bulbs join Chinese dog food, toys, heparin, and God knows what else that is poisoning/killing animals and children in the US. If they can't even make a Thomas the Train car that is safe for kids, do you honestly trust them to make stuff containing Hg!? And guess what single nation contributes more "greenhouse gasses" and consumes more oil and coal in their industry than the rest of the world combined; that's right, it's China!! So now, in an effort to save the planet, we are sending manufacturing jobs to the place that has the least environmentally conscious manufacturing in the history of the universe!! Holy crap, quit listening to Barry Obama and check in with reality every now and then!!

But let's not let logic get in the way of a perfectly good dem talking point...
 
I think MY original thread got off topic. I wanted people to share their tips on what they did to save money on their fish tanks. I did not want this to become a political topic. I also believe that political topics are against the forum rules (correct me if i'm wrong).

Mods Please delete this thread as it has seemed to get off topic.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12832250#post12832250 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MikePowell
I think MY original thread got off topic. I wanted people to share their tips on what they did to save money on their fish tanks. I did not want this to become a political topic. I also believe that political topics are against the forum rules (correct me if i'm wrong).

Mods Please delete this thread as it has seemed to get off topic.

In that case, if you look at the breakdown on the Lights of America boxes @ Home Depot, Halides will actually save you more money on energy costs than any other bulb; to get the same light output from anything else, you would have to consume a lot more energy. I am currently running fans instead of a chiller on my tank and I assume that is saving money. I (like someone else who posted) use tunzes, which apparently saves some. Other than that, I don't really know any other ways to save money.

I do agree though, this needs to get back on (a clarified) topic or get shut down, it's going to get ugly!
 
So far what I can see is a bunch of ignorant adults who don't want to change their lifestyle because they are too comfortable where they are/were. IT IS YOUR GENERATION THAT IS GOING TO SCREW OVER MINE!!!!!!!! THANKS A LOT GUYS, YOU ARE GREAT! ESPECIALLY FOR NOT CARING!!

"You can judge your age by the amount of pain you feel when you come in contact with a new idea."--John Nuveen

As far as the environment is concerned:

matthewscars: "who cares" I bet you are going to care when your house is underwater! Astoria is right near Long Island sound, and you are telling me you don't care about rising sea levels. i bet you are just going to wait until you are old, and let MY GENERATION DEAL WITH IT!!!

Kannin: "Greenland was green when they discovered it, 400 years ago... hence the name." THAT IS THE MOST ABSURD THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!! Eric the Red called it that so people would move there, not because it is green! It was a scam on his part. Greenland is a giant glacier and always has been!

SkyPapa: "I suggest YOU do a little more research...
It was likely warmer about 1000 years ago when Eric The Red was there." YOU DO YOURS! LIKELY BEING THE KEY WORD! The galcier is retreating just like glaciers all over the world, proof tat it was COLDER back then.

Taqpol: "Humans are arrogant for thinking that what we do matters so much to our planet. Think about it this way, the bigger you make your fish tank the more stable the parameters get. How hard do you think you would have to work to get the parameters out of whack in a "fish tank" the size of our planet?" I think you are the one who is being ignorant for thinking what we do doesn't affect the environment, even when we are burning all of our fossil fuels so fast that we will be out of them in just a few years. Yes, the earth does have a large environment and is very stable because of that. Using your fish tank analogy: we do have a very large and stable "tank" but us burning all of these fossil fuels is not just a natural thing like us resperating, it is as if something BIG died in our big fish tank. It is still a problem.

ryan_paskadi: "Lastly, ethanol based fuel is the worst idea ever." That is 120% TRUE! "The only thing being green does is let you think how wonderful you are for saving the planet. In reality it has no measurable effect." While it is true that one person doesn't make a difference, all 6 billion of us cutting our carbon emissions sure does. All I have to say is: what is the sound of one hand clapping?

There is proof for global warming, and Al Gore has credible sources for his work. Ice cores from the arctic and antarctic show a dramatic increase of CO2 at the time of the industrial revolution. Also after a rise of only a few degrees the ocean will release pockets of methane from the ocean floor. Methane is a greenhouse gas 10x more powerful than CO2 and will warm the earth even more.
 
I'm not sure why some people have to turn everything into a major debate. This is a classic example of why we don't allow politics or religion.

Let's try to remember. This is a fish board!
 
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